Celtics trade rumors - Deadline 2/18, 3 PM

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I think our assets are as follows:

2016 Brooklyn pick - no chance in hell unless a deal for a bonafide disgruntled star

Bos/Dal 1st and 2nd rounders - key trading assets on the table. Probably willing to deal for an incremental piece who can help like a Gallinari

2017/2018 Brooklyn picks - not off the table but unlikely
 
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Bucks reportedly listening to interest on Greg Monroe. And possibly, if crazy return, Middleton or Parker. Not sure what crazy is, but either of Middleton or Parker would look nice in green.

http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-is-a-major-shakeup-coming/article_5c355e2d-58f8-554e-b6d6-1f5716f7fa3e.html

It's starting to heat up... But like someone said in one of the other threads, Danny should think hard before making a move just to make a move, we have a nice base and FAs may want to start coming to Boston...
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Monroe is one of the few Bucks players taking care of their business. He's avg 17/10 while the Bucks Offensive Rating in his 1488 minutes is 107.7 (Top-10 in league) while dead last in the 975 minutes that Monroe is off the floor at 99.5.

Parker has never been for me. He is a stretch-4 who can't shoot from the perimeter and has mediocre athleticism. It's no wonder the Bucks are trying to sell before what they likely know becomes certainty.
 
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Agree on Parker. I feel like he is going to have a long and non-descript career like Marvin Williams. I don't see much upside there.
 
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Celtics sorta, maybe, could be in the mix for Horford:
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The Magic have some pieces to compete with the Cs, but Denver? Mudiay is only 19 but he makes Marcus Smart look like Ray Allen. They do have the right to switch picks with the Knicks, but both of them are probably going to do just well enough where it's a nice pick, but not a game changer. Is Faried really that well thought of?
 
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The Nuggets have some very good, high upside bigs. Jokic is a big piece it looks like. Nurkic too. I'm more skeptical of Lauvergne, but there's a camp that likes him. Gary Harris and Will Barton are there on the guard side too. Their pieces are a step behind Orlando's, but much of the team quality difference is a Mudiay thing.
 
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Jeff Teague has been traded to the Celtics, Knicks, Rockets, Pacers, Magic and Mavs in the past hour, according to Twitter. It does seem he's on the move somewhere, to be determined.
 
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Reports of Danny all excited about possible trade for Al Horford blowing up all over now, FWIW.
 
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I would be thrilled with just about any deal that doesn't include this year's or next year's Nets pick for Horford.
 
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Nothing is untradeable. Not a single pick or a single player.

For Horford however...Brooklyn picks Crowder Smart IT and maybe Bradley are. Cant sell everything for a cpl months. Its not like he makes you a legit threat to win the title.
 
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My guess is this comes from NBC Sports quoting that same Mannix piece.

Also, I know it's the nature of the rumor mill, but I find it funny that the reporting is that this is a "legitimate possibility", as opposed to all the other rumors they pass along, which presumably are just totally impossible.
 
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This all seems to stem from the Mannix report that was out this morning/last night. No new info here, I suspect.
 
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Yeah, I was just surprised to hear Bradley up that high. He's fine, but behind all three Nets picks, Smart, Thomas, Crowder, and Olynyk for me.
 
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Yeah, I was just surprised to hear Bradley up that high. He's fine, but behind all three Nets picks, Smart, Thomas, Crowder, and Olynyk for me.
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I think it depends on who the trade is for. In the case of Horford, Olynyk's minutes go way down so I'd much rather trade him than create a hole at SG.
 
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Nothing is untradeable. Not a single pick or a single player.

For Horford however... Its not like he makes you a legit threat to win the title.
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Why not? He's what this team desperately needs, a quality big. He'll take them to the next level and quite possibly deep into the playoffs
 
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And Bowiac ill save you the stats youre gonna show me.

Olynyks best strength is blackmailing Stevens into pairing him w good defensive players. He had a nice little stretch on offense hitting wide open 3 pointers. Hes worse than Jerebko and im not joking. His eye test wouldnt pass for Stevie Wonder. He cant stay in front of anyone OR defend the post. He committs awful fouls. He doesnt finish his drives or ever take it hard to the hoop.

He floats around aimlessly. When hes not making his wide open 3s after he does his stupid pump fake, hes completely and utterly useless. Not only would I trade him for Horford, id likely trade him for a domestic 8oz beer and a cold hot dog. He is not good at basketball. Sorry to ruin all the fan boys fantasies. Watch the game kids.
 
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Why not? He's what this team desperately needs, a quality big. He'll take them to the next level and quite possibly deep into the playoffs
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Youre not getting by Cle never mind GS/SA/OKC just bc you added Horford.

He gets you closer and Id be aggresive but not go crazy.
 
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I can't believe there is any asset besides maybe the Brooklyn picks that we wouldn't deal to get a stud player. Smart has limited offensive upside - to me he's a Shane Battier type of player on a great team, not a lead guy. Bradley is a complementary player, Crowder is complementary - these are all 4th/5th/6th guys on a good team. I can't imagine Danny wouldn't move them for a 1/2 type guy. Now, not sure any of them are available but unless Danny is in love with his assets which he's never been as GM of this team he'd deal anything to get elite level talent.
 
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I can't believe there is any asset besides maybe the Brooklyn picks that we wouldn't deal to get a stud player. Smart has limited offensive upside - to me he's a Shane Battier type of player on a great team, not a lead guy. Bradley is a complementary player, Crowder is complementary - these are all 4th/5th/6th guys on a good team. I can't imagine Danny wouldn't move them for a 1/2 type guy. Now, not sure any of them are available but unless Danny is in love with his assets which he's never been as GM of this team he'd deal anything to get elite level talent.
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The Bradley and Crowder contracts (and IT to a degree) make me very hesitant to deal them. 6/30 for Crowder is rookie scale and hes a top 10 2 way 3 man in the NBA. Id be hesitant to move him for a potential rental is all.

Again for Cousins or another star w more than 3months on their deal? Sure thing.
 
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And Bowiac ill save you the stats youre gonna show me.

Olynyks best strength is blackmailing Stevens into pairing him w good defensive players. He had a nice little stretch on offense hitting wide open 3 pointers. Hes worse than Jerebko and im not joking. His eye test wouldnt pass for Stevie Wonder. He cant stay in front of anyone OR defend the post. He committs awful fouls. He doesnt finish his drives or ever take it hard to the hoop.

He floats around aimlessly. When hes not making his wide open 3s after he does his stupid pump fake, hes completely and utterly useless. Not only would I trade him for Horford, id likely trade him for a domestic 8oz beer and a cold hot dog. He is not good at basketball. Sorry to ruin all the fan boys fantasies. Watch the game kids.
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I have no idea what to say to this but fortunately, I don't have to. See this: http://hardwoodhoudini.com/2016/02/02/wrong-kelly-olynyk/.
 
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But its a real pt with Olynyk. He does nothing positive except make open 3s. Theyre calling him a defensive anchor in that article!!!!!
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He's a really good defender, which we've been over before, he's gotten a few writeups from national media on it. He has flaws like most defenders, but overall he's very good. He's also a lot better on offense than just a guy who makes open 3s.
 
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He's a really good defender, which we've been over before, he's gotten a few writeups from national media on it. He has flaws like most defenders, but overall he's very good. He's also a lot better on offense than just a guy who makes open 3s.
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He doesnt keep guys in front block shots or provide much resistence in the post. Awesome defender. We are so lucky to have him!
 
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He doesn't let guys go by him, stays with his man, goes out the perimeter very well, and pretty rarely gets caught out of position. But, I agree, he's really mediocre at a lot of elements of the game which aren't as important right now. He'll be a real defensive problem when the team goes through a time warp to the 1980s. Nothing is binary of course - everything matters, just the stuff he's bad at isn't as important as it used to be. There aren't a lot of Shaqs in the game right now.

But don't worry, I'll save you the stats, and stay off your lawn too. I was saying he's a better trade asset than Bradley (in my eyes), not that I wouldn't include him in a deal for Horford in a heartbeat.
 
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Youre not getting by Cle never mind GS/SA/OKC just bc you added Horford.

He gets you closer and Id be aggresive but not go crazy.
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What's the "crazy" part? That they would quite possibly go deep into the playoffs with him? Doesn't seem all that crazy and overboard to me. And yeah there's a handful of teams including Cleveland still better but not by a lot. We would have a shot

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/03/08/is-al-horford-the-nbas-best-center/
 
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Maybe this is sentimental, but maybe this team should be left intact. I love Horford, but he probably doesn't get us to the finals.
So why not see what this crew can do, and not give up anyone (except for Lee)?
 
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Maybe this is sentimental, but maybe this team should be left intact. I love Horford, but he probably doesn't get us to the finals.
So why not see what this crew can do, and not give up anyone (except for Lee)?
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Because short of giving up a Brooklyn pick, IT and maybe a couple other guys, it can do nothing but improve their chances?
 
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I'd love to see Horford in Green... This summer. Seriously the guy is so close to FA does anyone think he will sign team friendly deal for a team he has never/barely played for? All these talking heads just view him as "Horford the player" and ignore everything else. Is he a great player who could make the Celtics better? Absolutely times 10.

Main point - why give up assets for a guy that won't win you a championship this year that won't sign for a discounted rate and that you can sign as a FA this summer? Trade Danny is not an idiot
 
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I would have to imagine that a Horford trade would involve one of the Nets picks. He's a rental but there will be competition for his services.

Players-wise, David Lee would be the ballast going the other way. Maybe something else could be worked out but few players outside of Horford and Millsap would see significant minutes on the Celtics (which shows how good those two guys are, IMHO).
 
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I'd love to see Horford in Green... This summer. Seriously the guy is so close to FA does anyone think he will sign team friendly deal for a team he has never/barely played for? All these talking heads just view him as "Horford the player" and ignore everything else. Is he a great player who could make the Celtics better? Absolutely times 10.

Main point - why give up assets for a guy that won't win you a championship this year that won't sign for a discounted rate and that you can sign as a FA this summer? Trade Danny is not an idiot
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Because they have a shitload of picks coming, can't keep everyone and if you can get him for fungible assets and late round picks, why not? If Brooklyn picks come into the conversation, hang up the phone. Otherwise, if it's Lee and crap, you're not getting a better return on that.
 
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The Mort Report said:
Main point - why give up assets for a guy that won't win you a championship this year that won't sign for a discounted rate and that you can sign as a FA this summer? Trade Danny is not an idiot
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Here's one reason: flexibility. The inherited Bird rights allow you to go over cap to re-sign him. This is important because 1) nobody is entirely clear how new cap space will be used, 2) it allows the Cs to potentially get some other guys (via trade) over the offseason and still have Horford at his price, and 3) FOs get to choose summertime deal sequence.

This all depends on what ransom Atlanta demands, but it may be worth the added flexibility. If DA taught us any one thing, it's that he highly valued maximizing cap flexibility at all times.
 
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He doesn't let guys go by him, stays with his man, goes out the perimeter very well, and pretty rarely gets caught out of position. But, I agree, he's really mediocre at a lot of elements of the game which aren't as important right now. He'll be a real defensive problem when the team goes through a time warp to the 1980s. Nothing is binary of course - everything matters, just the stuff he's bad at isn't as important as it used to be. There aren't a lot of Shaqs in the game right now.

But don't worry, I'll save you the stats, and stay off your lawn too. I was saying he's a better trade asset than Bradley (in my eyes), not that I wouldn't include him in a deal for Horford in a heartbeat.
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I guess we are just watching different players. I watched the corpse of Richard Jefferson blow by him 3 straight possessions on Friday night and chase him down from behind for a clean block, but Kelly did get a questionable foul call on the play.

Against the Bucks he turned Greg Monroe into a Wilt Chamberlin, and tonight he again got abused by multiple players going to the hoop. He cant slide his feet to cut off driving lanes at all, and its not just vs athletic wings. Its against any player who can remotely put it on the deck.

Take the green shades off. The guy isnt very good. And id love to know what he does well on offense except make wide open 3PTs at home (48/34 home road splits)
 
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Because short of giving up a Brooklyn pick, IT and maybe a couple other guys, it can do nothing but improve their chances?
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In a purely objective sense, it could. But, this "crew" is playing with a lot of selflessness and sacrifice.
If you break the team into fungible pieces, so they can be moved around to improve components, will that damage this "chemistry"?

Perhaps not, but perhaps yes. So why risk it, for a probable improvement that is probably NOT enough to make a huge (get you to finals) difference?

I will say that trading a Bklyn pick + Lee has some attraction, as it leaves the "crew" intact.
And to the "hang up at once" crowd: do you really think that what ever comes out of one of these picks (say, the swap) will be better than Horford?
 
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He doesn't let guys go by him, stays with his man, goes out the perimeter very well, and pretty rarely gets caught out of position. But, I agree, he's really mediocre at a lot of elements of the game which aren't as important right now. He'll be a real defensive problem when the team goes through a time warp to the 1980s. Nothing is binary of course - everything matters, just the stuff he's bad at isn't as important as it used to be. There aren't a lot of Shaqs in the game right now.

But don't worry, I'll save you the stats, and stay off your lawn too. I was saying he's a better trade asset than Bradley (in my eyes), not that I wouldn't include him in a deal for Horford in a heartbeat.
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I am not going to go as far as southshoresoxfan because I think Olynyk is a pretty good player but I do think it's a pretty huge jump to call him a better trade asset than Bradley. Olynyk's lack of athleticism is glaring and more apparent against better players. It is also fair to wonder how much his offensive game would suffer in a different system where he didn't have consistent wide open, top of the key 3's every game.
 
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