Johnny Manziel on and off the field

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“@AdamSchefter: Johnny Manziel’s dad, Paul, told Dallas Morning News, ”I truly believe if they can’t get him help, he won’t live to see his 24th birthday.“”
 

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They? You're his dad, dude. It's on you, too.

Also, might want to change the thread title and take out "on and".
 

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No team is signing up for a funeral. He's just not going to be in the League next year.
 

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Charles Rodgers was a bust, but he certainly seemed to have the talent.

Manziel was Eric Crouch lite. He was never going to be a good NFL QB.
Based on the agent's last statement, I guess I should have compared him to Titus Young, not Charles Rogers.


(Geez, I had totally forgotten just how f-ed up Detroit's receiving corps was, even post-Millen)
 

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They? You're his dad, dude. It's on you, too.
That's the downside of soxhop's drive-by twittering without context:

Manziel's father, Paul, told the newspaper that the Cleveland Brownsquarterback has refused to enter area rehab facilities twice in the past week. He said the family tried to get Manziel, 23, to enter a local addiction facility on Saturday, but Manziel refused to stay. Paul Manziel said he tried to have his son admitted to a psychiatric and chemical dependency hospital on Tuesday, but Manziel was allowed to leave, despite his father telling officers that he believed Manziel was suicidal.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14720378/johnny-manziel-dad-says-quarterback-refused-enter-rehab-needs-help
 

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He will take this season off to spend the year in rehab and "find himself" or whatever and then attempt a comeback at the NFL. The best thing he can do is check into rehab TODAY, because he disappears and that will be the story, with the DV being a smaller part of it.

Next year he'll try to latch on to some team and will probably end up in Canada.

I do find the public comments from his father interesting, and the fact the agent went out of his way to mention his family. I'm guessing they are trying to protect their assets against Manziel, if something happens to them and he tries to sue for the estate
 

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I don't know about that. Sometimes, people really are addicted and/or unbalanced and not just acting out. Drugs/addiction/psychosis often make people incapable of ascertaining what is really in their best interests, never mind finding the wherewithal to act upon it. Manziel needs to do the former before he attempts the latter, and he isn't even close to being there (if these accounts are true).

People said the same thing about Lindsay Lohan from about 2006 through 2009.

"She'll go away and come back!"
"Once she goes to rehab, she'll do the talk show circuit and win an Oscar!"
"She's too talented to crash her career like this. She'll be back, like Drew Barrymore!"

Sometimes they don't fucking come back.
 

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I am absolutely shocked he has not been criminally charged. Have the authorities given a reason as to why?
 

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I think, though, that given the following:

1) Manziel's cluelessly arrogant, "what, me worry?" attitude of entitlement; and
2) Your point that teams would be foolish to contact another player under contract to another team
2a) ...ESPECIALLY a player as dubious as Manziel...
2b) ...I mean, seriously. Why would any team do that?

We can assume that Manziel or his agent are completely full of shit, and either Manziel is just deluded, or his agent is a fucking idiot and trying to pre-emptively kickstart what is sure to be a lukewarm, at best, market for his client. I'm going with the former, if only because Manziel seems stupid enough to be acting completely against any advice from his agent, who would surely realize what you do: that his client is only raising more questions about himself by basically accusing the very teams he wants to end up with of tampering.
Totally agree. I called bullshit in my first post about this. My main goal was to point out more of Johnny's stupidity.
 

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I am absolutely shocked he has not been criminally charged. Have the authorities given a reason as to why?
Well, here's their official statement on the matter. I'll save you the suspense and just say "Football player, durrrrr....Lil' woman....durrrrrrr....football."

Dallas Police said in a statement later Thursday that "appropriate investigative follow-up" had been done and the case was closed:

The Dallas Police Department has conducted the appropriate investigative follow-up to the report forwarded to us by the Ft. Worth Police Department regarding an alleged incident involving Johnny Manziel. Investigative efforts to date have not resulted in the filing of a criminal complaint and the incident is determined to be closed. No further statement is expected at this time.
 

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I am absolutely shocked he has not been criminally charged. Have the authorities given a reason as to why?
Absent somebody pretty obviously beaten up, it's really hard to bring these charges with a reluctant victim. Which she reportedly was. She was more concerned with him offing himself than anything else, which reportedly is why the police put a helicopter up to find him.
 

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That's the downside of soxhop's drive-by twittering without context:

Manziel's father, Paul, told the newspaper that the Cleveland Brownsquarterback has refused to enter area rehab facilities twice in the past week. He said the family tried to get Manziel, 23, to enter a local addiction facility on Saturday, but Manziel refused to stay. Paul Manziel said he tried to have his son admitted to a psychiatric and chemical dependency hospital on Tuesday, but Manziel was allowed to leave, despite his father telling officers that he believed Manziel was suicidal.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14720378/johnny-manziel-dad-says-quarterback-refused-enter-rehab-needs-help

I dont doubt that the father is scared shitless, and I wouldn't want to walk 10 yards in his shoes; but man, the Manziel family doesn't seem to go a single generation without some sort of legal trouble.
 

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Anyone else think the filing of charges is an effort to force him to get help? If he won't go voluntarily and they can't get a psych hold maybe they figure jail is better than the alternative.
 

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"They" is the police. Family (and former agent, apparently) attempted an intervention (or two) and it didn't work. Manziel was brought in by cops and evaluated, but walked out without charges. I believe the idea of the "new" investigation is not only to assess whether more formal charges should be filed, but also it could be another crack at bringing him into some form of custody to get him off the street.

I agree with JERiHOF.
 

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I think some are uncomfortable with the implication that a woman being beaten and kidnapped is somehow the undercard to the main event of "Maybe Johnny needs help" in terms of motivating police action.
 

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They in my post was meant as some combination of ex gf and anyone else that may be connected to him. Who really knows what the hell is going on behind the scenes in terms of the various parties but the ex didn't want to press charges and it was stated she was concerned for his welfare.

Could she have come around to the thought that the prick deserves to go to jail for hitting her? Yes, of course. I was just wondering aloud if pressing charges came from a different motivation. Domestic violence victims do not behave in one set way and often times forgive the abusers.

What I was not trying to say is that the cops were acting out of any concern about Johnny Football. Although really this thing is turning into a clusterfuck so who knows.
 

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"They" is the police. Family (and former agent, apparently) attempted an intervention (or two) and it didn't work. Manziel was brought in by cops and evaluated, but walked out without charges. I believe the idea of the "new" investigation is not only to assess whether more formal charges should be filed, but also it could be another crack at bringing him into some form of custody to get him off the street.

I agree with JERiHOF.
what do you mean get him off the street? Worst case scenario, the police investigate and decide to arrest Manziel. He gets booked, arraigned and with no conviction history gets bail set at what, $5,000? He'll spend less than 12 hours in jail.

There's really very little mystery in the police action here. In assault case, and especially family violence cases, if there is no complaint filed, no cooperating witness, then there is no case. That is why the police did not pursue charges at first. The victim changed her mind and filed a complaint (as is her prerogative), so now the police started an investigation. They will take her statement, document any injuries still visible, get copies of any medical records for injuries sustain, talk to any friends/family the victim spoke to in the aftermath of the incident, and then talk to Manziel and get his statement. Given the information publicly available, it seems likely that would lead to the conclusion an arrest is warranted. But, again, it would most likely be an A misdemeanor and not something that is going to lock a guy up without bail.

I realize Manziel is a public figure and all, but the police simply aren't in the business of leveraging investigations and arrests to force people into rehab.
 

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Johnny showed up drunk to practice so the Browns lied about it and said he was in concussion protocol.
Can only imagine the firestorm if the Pats did this. LINK: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25478521/report-johnny-manziel-came-to-practice-drunk-browns-covered-it-up
This was actually reported during the last week of the season after he surfaced in Vegas in disguise. I find it (at least a little) curious that it has come back around. I thought it was public knowledge by now that he turned up to practice drunk and the Browns ascribed his report listing as a "head injury" that was being evaluated consistent with the concussion protocol. Getting cute with the process.

Hell, the Colts reported Andrew Luck's rib injury and lacerated kidney as a shoulder injury and got away with it.

Raining down on the Browns while allowing the Colts to skate is just more NFL hypocrisy.
 

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And was [insert name of hypothetical good Browns player here] generally aware of the team's scheme to falsify NFL injury records?
 

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I dunno. I get that some people want to take the shitty people out of the NFL, but I say make it exclusively criminals and take away the helmets and the safety rules.
 

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And also put tigers on the field, chained up every 20 yards.

We could even flood the stadiums and stage naval battles.
 

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And also put tigers on the field, chained up every 20 yards.

We could even flood the stadiums and stage naval battles.
Lot of Christians in the NFL nowadays, not sure how many Thracians or Gauls, though.
 

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The correct reference is to Greg Hardy, because anyone who thinks these allegations will stop Jerry Jones from signing Manziel is deluding themselves.

Jones has an established track recd of not giving a shit about domestic violence. And as bad as they are, the published affidavit doesn't come close to the crimes Hardy was actually convicted of before he was able to buy his way out of trouble.

I am convinced that if Manziel manages to make his way into rehab or some sort of counseling, Jones will sign him, accept whatever suspension the NFL wants to hand down and position the move as a way to "help reclaim the life and career of a local football legend."
 

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I mean, these days, just about every third post in every thread is someone making a joke and three posters going back and forth for 1/2 a page. And then the cycle repeats itself.
I pointed this out before the fucking season started.

Deflategate started the fall of BbtL.
 

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I don't know. I think most people know he sucks.

Fans will hold their nose when the player is clearly worth it, or if he fills a position of need, but is there anyone that thinks Manziel is particularly good? An upgrade over Romo?