Patriots re-hired Dante Scarnecchia as OL coach

Stitch01 · Feb 1, 2016

Stork analysis is interesting and infuriating.

lol at getting angry for the Pats not drafting freaking guards early or terming it negligent, seems like the kind of folks who would have "cap is crap" as part of their vocabulary. We don't have that many true fellowship of the miserable alums amongst sosh posters, but man, Im not sure if the handful on here are in for either a rude awakening in a few years or are just going to be happier about having more things to be miserable about.

sodenj5 · Feb 1, 2016

So I've noticed a head bob, or head tilt is something that lineman are doing in hostile environments. Sometimes a guard will look back at the QB and tap the center to let him know when the QB is ready. Sometimes there will be a clear head tilt to one side like the center is looking over their shoulder. Usually it's done either with multiple "sets" when it comes to the guard tapping the center, or a different pace of head tilt to try and keep defenders honest.

What I do not know is, who dictates that? I can't recall which game it was, I want to say Seattle vs. Minnesota, where the Seahwaks LG was nearly standing up looking back at Wilson, then would quickly crouch down and tap the center, and then slowly stand up and turn around again to try and keep the defense off the snap. That seems like it's a clearly orchestrated thing between Wilson and the line to go on 1, 2, 3, etc. In the case of a head movement like Stork, it seems that Brady moves his feet when he's ready, and it's on Stork to change the pace at which he snaps the ball, whether that be with different pace, or hesitation. Is it DeGuglielmo's responsibility to alter the silent count, or would that be something that Brady and Stork would discuss?

Stitch01 · Feb 1, 2016

All of the above Id imagine.

54thMA · Feb 1, 2016

PaulinMyrBch said:
I'm genuinely pissed about this silent count and head bob tell that Light has brought into focus. Such a simple thing to prepare for and have ready, something we've been doing for years, with the best QB in the business...and we fail to prepare for the contingency when we might need it? Unreal. When you contrast that versus the anniversary of the Butler interception and the amount of prep that went into that specific play, it boggles the mind. I can still hear Ernie Adams in the "Do Your Job" video, 'we try to be prepared for anything that might come up on a Sunday'. I'm going to spend the whole offseason mildly pissed off.

The silent count and the head bob remind me of another Adams comment in the "Do your Job" video;"Games are won or lost on the practice field"..................As I watched that shitshow unfold in Denver, I kept thinking Denver's defense is good, but they're not THIS good.

Pretty easy to harass Brady all game long and blow up play after play when you basically know the snap count and have it timed perfectly.

And yet despite all that, they were a missed PAT away from tying the game and forcing overtime.

What a huge missed opportunity by this team and this organization.

weeba · Feb 1, 2016

That article was posted to r/NFL and seems to have taken off

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/43org6/ne_center_bryan_stork_was_tipping_the_snap_versus/

doc · Feb 1, 2016

Brian Stork's new additional equipment

speedracer · Feb 1, 2016

weeba said:
That article was posted to r/NFL and seems to have taken off

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/43org6/ne_center_bryan_stork_was_tipping_the_snap_versus/

I remember him bobbing his head before the snap and inducing Michael Bennett to jump on the penultimate play of last year's Super Bowl. Was the problem noticeably worse in general when he was playing center in road games?

Did Ryan Wendell have that problem? Or David Andrews?

JimD · Feb 3, 2016

Kind of surprised that an organization that will obsess over every little detail in preparation missed this.

FL4WL3SS · Feb 3, 2016

JimD said:
Kind of surprised that an organization that will obsess over every little detail in preparation missed this.

They're always the more prepared team, but they're not perfect. We've seen them make many coaching mistakes over the years, sometimes they overcome them and sometimes they don't. This time they didn't, it happens.

Byrdbrain · Feb 8, 2016

Mike Reiss - Filed to ESPN: With opening for o-line coach, Patriots in discussions with retired Dante Scarnecchia about a return to the coaching staff.

A very interesting development.

Ed Hillel · Feb 8, 2016

This would be massive, if true. Next year's team will probably go as far as the OL lets them.

jablo1312 · Feb 8, 2016

Can't think of too many offseason moves they could make that would (hopefully) help more than that one

SeoulSoxFan · Feb 8, 2016

Ed Hillel said:
This would be massive, if true. Next year's team will probably go as far as the OL lets them.

The timing of the "leak" and the return must be due to the upcoming draft. Besides getting Scar to coach the young OL up all of 2016, having him fully/officially involved in the draft would be tremendous.

Also, you gotta think this is a close-to-done deal, with the (seemingly) sudden dismissal of DeGuglielmo.

dynomite · Feb 8, 2016

soxhop411 said:
Mike Reiss ‏@MikeReiss 2h2 hours ago
One person close to situation said discussions with Dante Scarnecchia far enough along to think there's a good chance he'll be back in 2016.

This is surprising but not stunning. He never truly left, right? Pretty sure the PFW guys flew out to Indy for the combine on the same plane as him last offseason, and he was heavily involved in scouting and working out guys -- basically an emeritus consultant.

I'd be surprised if he's willing to put up with months of pre-dawn workouts and marathon video sessions in the traditional coaching sense. Wouldn't surprise me if they have him return with a younger coach to shadow him and do that kind of grunt work (are Matt Light or Dan Connolly interested... Or even Steve Belichick?) and eventually take over.

mikeot · Feb 8, 2016

dynomite said:
Wouldn't surprise me if they have him return with a younger coach to shadow him and do that kind of grunt work (are Matt Light or Dan Connolly interest?).

This would be the best of all possible scenarios, grooming a successor while fulfilling the critical near-term needs.

PaulinMyrBch · Feb 8, 2016

I'm hoping Scar is one of these bored retirees just dying to get back to what he loved. I'm guessing he couldn't survive a week with the mall walkers and Tai Chi crowd.

Dr. Gonzo · Feb 8, 2016

Interesting that Scar approached the Pats

In a shocking development, Dante Scarnecchia has asked the Patriots about coming out of retirement to coach the O-line again, per source.

RedOctober3829 · Feb 8, 2016

From our own mloyko54.....

Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko now
Yesterday I was told, Scarnecchia's family members have been saying he's re-joining #Patriots next year. So I think this thing is done.

Dr. Gonzo · Feb 8, 2016

Awesome. Have a little more confidence in developing a non-first round pick and UDFAs with him here

singaporesoxfan · Feb 8, 2016

RedOctober3829 said:
From our own mloyko54.....

Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko now
Yesterday I was told, Scarnecchia's family members have been saying he's re-joining #Patriots next year. So I think this thing is done.

I can imagine Scar watching the AFCCG and just screaming at the screen "No! What are you doing!" and realizing he still wants to do this.

Bowhemian · Feb 8, 2016

dynomite said:
This is surprising but not stunning. He never truly left, right? Pretty sure the PFW guys flew out to Indy for the combine on the same plane as him last offseason, and he was heavily involved in scouting and working out guys -- basically an emeritus consultant.

I'd be surprised if he's willing to put up with months of pre-dawn workouts and marathon video sessions in the traditional coaching sense. Wouldn't surprise me if they have him return with a younger coach to shadow him and do that kind of grunt work (are Matt Light or Dan Connolly interested... Or even Steve Belichick?) and eventually take over.

I don't think you will see Matt Light walking through that door. Last week he was on WAAF, he stated basically that there was no way he could be a coach, he would be in a tree stand in the morning, not on the practice field.

dynomite · Feb 8, 2016

Bowhemian said:
I don't think you will see Matt Light walking through that door. Last week he was on WAAF, he stated basically that there was no way he could be a coach, he would be in a tree stand in the morning, not on the practice field.

That's fine. I don't really care who it is so long as they manage the succession.

Tyrone Biggums · Feb 8, 2016

soxhop411 said:
Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 1m1 minute ago
The Patriots have been happy to learn of Scarnecchia's wishes to come out of retirement, and a deal is very likely, per source.

I wonder if this has been in the works since the loss against Denver. Great news indeed. He was probably the 2nd most important coach to this team in the Belichick era. Lots of history there. Good to hopefully have him return.

BannedbyNYYFans.com · Feb 8, 2016

Has there ever been a more celebrated Offensive Line Coach in NFL history? The only long time o-line coach I can remember is Bobb McKittrick with the 49ers.

Granted, I'm sure some other great line coaches moved on to become coordinators and head coaches...but still. It says something about Scarnecchia's legacy.

KiltedFool · Feb 8, 2016

Munchak

MarcSullivaFan · Feb 8, 2016

BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
Has there ever been a more celebrated Offensive Line Coach in NFL history? The only long time o-line coach I can remember is Bobb McKittrick with the 49ers.

Granted, I'm sure some other great line coaches moved on to become coordinators and head coaches...but still. It says something about Scarnecchia's legacy.

Howard Mudd and Callahan come to mind.

Edit: Not saying Callahan is more celebrated. Just generally celebrated.

BannedbyNYYFans.com · Feb 8, 2016

Totally spaced it on Mudd. You're right, he's probably the most recognized all time. And good call on Munchak, I had no idea he coached that position that long (13 years) with the Titans.

ShaneTrot · Feb 8, 2016

BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
Has there ever been a more celebrated Offensive Line Coach in NFL history? The only long time o-line coach I can remember is Bobb McKittrick with the 49ers.

Granted, I'm sure some other great line coaches moved on to become coordinators and head coaches...but still. It says something about Scarnecchia's legacy.

Alex Gibbs was very celebrated, he was the OL coach under Shanahan in Denver and pretty much wrote the book on the zone blocking scheme. His lineman were known for cutting defensive linemen at the knees and not talking to the press.

BannedbyNYYFans.com · Feb 8, 2016

You're right on Gibbs too. Jesus, I should really think before I post.

Hey how about that game last night? Peyton won but he sucked, right?

Norm Siebern · Feb 8, 2016

Joe Bugel, Redskins line coach during "the Hogs" era. Brilliant at his craft.

Sportsbstn · Feb 8, 2016

This is great news and terrific way to start the offseason. Obviously the biggest problem this season was the o-line and while this along does not solve the problem, it goes a long way.

fiskful of dollars · Feb 8, 2016

Second on Bugel...he was a huge fan favorite and a HC. Not as successful HC but a legendary OL coach in DC.

leftfieldlegacy · Feb 8, 2016

Bowhemian said:
I don't think you will see Matt Light walking through that door. Last week he was on WAAF, he stated basically that there was no way he could be a coach, he would be in a tree stand in the morning, not on the practice field.

Wondering if Chris Snee would want to make the move to Foxboro. He's been coaching HS O line in NJ after retirement from NFL. He has always preached loyalty and love for the Giants but maybe he's a little pissed off about them firing his father in law.

yeahlunchbox · Feb 8, 2016

Dan Koppen is local, I believe he's coaching in RI, and he's already familiar with how we'd want to handle line play.

twibnotes · Feb 8, 2016

Scar is our Dave Duncan

Al Zarilla · Feb 9, 2016

PaulinMyrBch said:
I'm hoping Scar is one of these bored retirees just dying to get back to what he loved. I'm guessing he couldn't survive a week with the mall walkers and Tai Chi crowd.

Dr. Gonzo said:
Interesting that Scar approached the Pats

In a shocking development, Dante Scarnecchia has asked the Patriots about coming out of retirement to coach the O-line again, per source.

Scarnecchia is 67 YO, 68 next week according to Wikipedia. My father came out of retirement at about that age and worked until he was 77. Tom Moore, Colts, Cardinals and a bunch of other teams, is still working the white board and the sleds at 77. 60s are the new 50s. Go Scar, bootstrap that O-line, keep Tommy upright and get #5!

Shelterdog · Feb 9, 2016

I think this is all good news but I do hope they have an assistant OL coach so we have a smooth succession plan in place in case Scar changes his mind again.

crystalline · Feb 16, 2016

Excellent news.

If we're lucky Dante will push through the end of the Belichick run. Bill is 63, Dante 68.

I'm still a little scarred by the interior line breakdowns in the two super bowls that shall not be named. But the absolute mess this year at OL was shocking. Hopefully Scarnecchia will fix that.

Toe Nash · Feb 16, 2016

crystalline said:
I'm still a little scarred by the interior line breakdowns in the two super bowls that shall not be named.

They were playing through some major injuries, right? Mankins had two torn knee ligaments in the second one for sure. I think those were more due to just getting overmatched rather than a lack of preparation or planning. The former sucks but the latter is unacceptable.

Reardon's Beard · Feb 17, 2016

If he asked back in, I see no reason Scar doesn't stick with this for at least the rest of the Brady era if not longer.

This is the NUTS!

BigJimEd · May 3, 2016

Apparently it was not Scar's idea. Article in the Globe today where Scar talks about how it was a tough decision when they asked him to come back.

Shelterdog · May 3, 2016

Toe Nash said:
They were playing through some major injuries, right? Mankins had two torn knee ligaments in the second one for sure. I think those were more due to just getting overmatched rather than a lack of preparation or planning. The former sucks but the latter is unacceptable.

Stephen Neal tore his ACL in XLII and missed the second half as well as parts of the first.

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