Red Sox sign OF Chris Young to two year deal

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The guy pulls the ball as much as anyone. He's a perfect player in Fenway.

I like the move a lot.
 

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This is EXACTLY what Dombrowski said he was after, and pretty much the one example everyone seemed to seize on when he said it. Good move. This guy is an ideal 4th OF for this roster...solid at the plate, solid defensively, but not much of a threat to push Betts, Bradley or Castillo out of a job.

Now cue the "now we can trade JBJ or Castillo" brigade.
 

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“@MikeSilvermanBB: Per @Ken_Rosenthal, Red Sox agree to multi-yr deal w OF Chris Young. Talks began GM mtgs early Nov. Speculation of OF trade now rising.”
 

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So - that means Holt's the backup SS.
Sure.

If X is out of commission for any serious period of time, obviously Marrero can be an option. NBD.

Pending $$, probably a good move from a fit standpoint. Hopefully it doesn't mean Betts is going anywhere. Wouldn't be crushed if they now could use JBJ (or Rusney, but this seems less likely) as a chip to get more value elsewhere on the roster (I still would like to see them trade for a SP, but I think that ship may have sailed when they sent 40% of their top 5 prospects to SD).
 

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Let's play everyone favorite game, Player A versus Player B.

Player A: .252/.320/.453, .201 ISO, -2.5 UZR/150
Player B: .251/.335/.454, .203 ISO, -2.8 UZR/150

Player A is, obviously Chris Young, or it would be a pretty off-topic post. Player B?

Justin Upton
I like it.
 

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Might want to put OF Chris Young in the title, as there were two that are/were free agents. Not very soxhopsian of a thread title.
 

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Let's play everyone favorite game, Player A versus Player B.

Player A: .252/.320/.453, .201 ISO, -2.5 UZR/150
Player B: .251/.335/.454, .203 ISO, -2.8 UZR/150

Player A is, obviously Chris Young, or it would be a pretty off-topic post. Player B?

Justin Upton
I like it.
Came on here to post the same thing. Obviously Young has a smaller sample size (318 ab's vs 542) and largely in a platoon role, but used correctly, there is a lot to like about this move.
 

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Sure.

If X is out of commission for any serious period of time, obviously Marrero can be an option. NBD.

Pending $$, probably a good move from a fit standpoint. Hopefully it doesn't mean Betts is going anywhere. Wouldn't be crushed if they now could use JBJ (or Rusney, but this seems less likely) as a chip to get more value elsewhere on the roster (I still would like to see them trade for a SP, but I think that ship may have sailed when they sent 40% of their top 5 prospects to SD).
I really hope they have no plans to trade an OF and use Young as a starter given his splits.

vs. L: .263/.362/.474
vs. R: .224/.293/.411

He could be a great platoon player or 4th OF though.
 

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Eh, I'm not impressed. Career .235 hitter with more than twice K than BB. If he still had his AZ speed, it would one thing. Not a fan of a multi year deal. He can be pitched to.
2010 was an outlier.
 

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Just in case you were curious ...

In 73 career plate appearances at Fenway, Young has a .344/.431/.623 line for a 1.054 OPS.

8 2B, 3 HR and 10BB in that sample. And a .367 BABIP.

His lines in other AL East parks:

Camden Yards (50 PA): .267/.340/.600 (4 2B, 1 3B, 3 HR, 4 BB, .310 BABIP)
Skydome (21 PA): .188/.381/.375 (1 HR, 4 BB, .250 BABIP)
Toilet (221 PA): .255/.323/.455 (13 2B, 9 HR, 17 BB, .292 BABIP)
Tropicana (47 PA): .091/.130/.150 (1 2B, 2 HR, 1 BB, .067 BABIP)
 
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Eh, I'm not impressed. Career .235 hitter with more than twice K than BB. If he still had his AZ speed, it would one thing. Not a fan of a multi year deal. He can be pitched to.
2010 was an outlier.
If he was a better all around player, he'd be signing somewhere else to be a starter. As a fourth outfielder for whom they can pick his spots, he'll be fine. Last season a .327/.397/.575 line in 175 PA against lefties. No reason he can't improve on those platoon numbers hitting more often at Fenway.
 

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Pending the details of the contract, this is pretty much perfect. A guy who can pinch hit, back up all three OF positions, and if he has to start, probably won't completely suck.

I'm assuming the multi-year thing means two years, maybe three. If it's more than that, itt's problematical.
 

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It's only a good move if Farrell plays him to his platoon strengths. I'm optimistic, but we all saw his love affair with Gomes at times. That can't happen.
 

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I would imagine you're in the 2/$10-12 range on this deal, and it makes a lot of sense at that value. Could also use him to spell Ortiz against LHP from time to time.
 

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It's only a good move if Farrell plays him to his platoon strengths. I'm optimistic, but we all saw his love affair with Gomes at times. That can't happen.
Who did Gomes take ABs away from in LF? Young had more ABs in 2015 than Gomes did in 2013. Gomes also faced LHP more than RHP, even though he was needed against some righties due to Victorino's injury.
 

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Gomes got 2/$10 3 years ago. I think Young's deal will be more than that, especially signing relatively early. My guess: 2/$14. High, but I agree with others who think he's a particularly good fit for our roster and ballpark - just as guys like Gomes and Ross were.

Could we trade JBJ and go with Young/Holt/Shaw in LF? Sure, but I'd rather not (unless it's part of a package for a really good SP).
 

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Who did Gomes take ABs away from in LF? Young had more ABs in 2015 than Gomes did in 2013. Gomes also faced LHP more than RHP, even though he was needed against some righties due to Victorino's injury.
Mostly Nava, who was a far better hitter against RHP. That was a perfect platoon situation he didn't play perfectly (especially in the playoffs, regardless of the result.)
 

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Who did Gomes take ABs away from in LF? Young had more ABs in 2015 than Gomes did in 2013. Gomes also faced LHP more than RHP, even though he was needed against some righties due to Victorino's injury.
In the post-season...Daniel Nava. Famously so. But that's as far as it went, IMO. I'd wager that a good deal of Gomes' plate appearances versus RHP during the regular season came when he was DHing in place of Ortiz (April 2013) or when Nava was pressed into action in RF because Victorino was hurt. When everyone was relatively healthy, Gomes was a true platoon player (save for the ALCS/World Series).
 

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Assuming the money is reasonable (e.g. 2/15), the more I think about it, the more I like this move. Chris Young has always hit for decent power; over 40 percent of his career hits have gone for extra bases, and even in the last three years, he's been good for 10-15 HRs per 340-380 PAs. He's never had a season less than .150 iso. Based on his career, we might expect a .170-200 ISO with good confidence (not sure why steamer projects his ISO to be 0.173, that seems oddly low). and his OBP, while below average, isn't awful (0.314 vs. a league average of 0.325 last year).

Overall, projecting him for a 0.720-0.800 OPS is fairly reasonable. Steamer projects lower, but Steamer does not take into account the team changes. Most of his struggles in 2014 and 2013 may have been associated with problems at the home ballpark. Defensively and on the bases he's slower than he used to be; I wouldn't start him in CF on a regular basis, but he's still a good fit in the corners.

2/15 for a league average player is a solid move.


Let's play everyone favorite game, Player A versus Player B.

Player A: .252/.320/.453, .201 ISO, -2.5 UZR/150
Player B: .251/.335/.454, .203 ISO, -2.8 UZR/150

Player A is, obviously Chris Young, or it would be a pretty off-topic post. Player B?

Justin Upton
I like it.
I love this comp for a variety of reasons. Obviously, it doesn't make a lot of sense here in terms of projecting Young's value. Upton had a down year with the padres relative to his career, and Upton is 4 years younger than Young. However, the comp does point out that the OF FA market has risks this year. Upton may be more difficult to project than people think.

The Red Sox signing Young reminds me most of when the Sox traded Manny for Jason Bay. Jason Bay, though right handed and a better overall hitter, struggled with the Pirates in 2007/early 08 but thrived hitting at Fenway through 2008-2009. It will be interesting to see if a similar effect is observed with Chris Young.
 

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I am sure the Sox have done this analysis, but I think there are only three lefty starters currently in the AL East.

But, this guy is a scary Fenway hitter. No downside and not really blocking anyone
 

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The usual price for a 4th OF is about 3-5 million a year. That was the case for Gomes who was an above average batter vs LHP plus an integral clubhouse guy.
 

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The wrong side of the bridge....
The usual price for a 4th OF is about 3-5 million a year. That was the case for Gomes who was an above average batter vs LHP plus an integral clubhouse guy.
Gomes last winter was (1) two years older than Young is now, (2) a much, much worse defensive player, and (3) coming off an 86 OPS+ season as opposed to Young's 112. And Young, too, is known as a great clubhouse guy. There is every reason to think Young will get a much, much better contract than Gomes did. 2 years in the $12-$15M range seems likely.
 

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Mets signed him in '14 for 1 year/$7.25M, then released him in August
Yankees signed him for '15 for 1 year/$2.5M with 350K in PA bonuses (that he achieved)

I'd guess the salary is somewhere in the middle. I'm hoping they keep it to two years with him already being 32 and doesn't have far to fall to be below replacement.
 

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This is exactly the type of insurance for a Castillo disappointment that they needed in 2014 for Bradley. Excellent move. I'm guessing 2/$15 at least.
 

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It's worth noting in passing that 2 of his 14 HRs this past season were actually hit off position players in mop-up duty, including one off the aforementioned Jonny Gomes (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/position-players-pitching-in-mlb-games-in-2015-1.10564836), so his numbers for the season are a bit inflated. That Gomes HR was his only one after August 4.

He's an interesting player, incredibly streaky but for much of the season he was as good a hitter against LHP as basically anyone in baseball, with numbers rivaling Cabrera or Trout.

Edit: Also probably no one is happier about this signing than Ogando, as Young took him deep three times last year and now they're teammates.
 

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I can't quote the tweet because I'm at work but Jeff Passan said this deal means Dombrowski is getting ready to make a big deal for a starter.

Would people here give up Betts in a deal for Jose Fernandez? He would be sooo painful to lose but it may well make sense from a team-building perspective.
 

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It's worth noting in passing that 2 of his 14 HRs this past season were actually hit off position players in mop-up duty, including one off the aforementioned Jonny Gomes (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/position-players-pitching-in-mlb-games-in-2015-1.10564836), so his numbers for the season are a bit inflated. That Gomes HR was his only one after August 4.

He's an interesting player, incredibly streaky but for much of the season he was as good a hitter against LHP as basically anyone in baseball, with numbers rivaling Cabrera or Trout.

Edit: Also probably no one is happier about this signing than Ogando, as Young took him deep three times last year and now they're teammates.
Ogando is a free agent. Is there any evidence the Sox are going to make him an offer? Have they no consideration for my blood pressure?
 

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I can't quote the tweet because I'm at work but Jeff Passan said this deal means Dombrowski is getting ready to make a big deal for a starter.

Would people here give up Betts in a deal for Jose Fernandez? He would be sooo painful to lose but it may well make sense from a team-building perspective.
Passan's a moron.

Dombrowski made it a point that his priorities, after acquiring Kimbrel, were a 4th OF and a starting pitcher and that the starting pitcher was going to be a free agent rather than a trade. I'm inclined at this point to take him at his word since step one, the fourth outfielder, has been accomplished.
 

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It's worth noting in passing that 2 of his 14 HRs this past season were actually hit off position players in mop-up duty, including one off the aforementioned Jonny Gomes
His home run totals may be inflated because of this, but both those mop-up pitchers throw right handed. Thus his fantastic numbers against LHP are unaffected by those at bats.
 

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Ogando is a free agent. Is there any evidence the Sox are going to make him an offer? Have they no consideration for my blood pressure?
Oops, sorry, I saw he was arb-eligible and just assumed, but you are correct.