The Game Goat Thread: Wk 12 @ Broncos

CoffeeNerdness · Nov 30, 2015

Harper
Refs

E5 Yaz · Nov 30, 2015

Harper, obviously, but the lack of a running game showed up here as well.

Looked to me that Bolden was the back who had the most ease with the conditions. Blount looked like he wanted to be anywhere else.

Devizier · Nov 30, 2015

This team plays its balls off even when it looks like all hope is lost. The drive to tie the game was nails.

UP
Butler, Ryan, Sheard

DOWN
Harper, Lafell

Mugsy's Jock · Nov 30, 2015

Harper is not welcome in my kitchen. LGBT didn't move the pile like usual either. White's lack of production suggests he's not ready.

Thumbs up to Branch, Ryan and Allen. And while he was far from perfect, Mayo played with a lot of heart and made some plays.

amarshal2 · Nov 30, 2015

Injury gods
Fumble gods
Zebra gods
Chris Harper

Jungleland · Nov 30, 2015

Chris Harper cost an undefeated season.

williams_482 · Nov 30, 2015

Not naming Goats because I can't think of any. Team lost because key personnel got hurt and they failed to set the edge a couple of times. I'm not smart enough to know who to blame on the later.

Ryan was absolutely incredible. Gave up two catches on like 12 or 13 targets, plus two passes that maybe should have been caught but were dropped by Thomas. Way better than I would have expected from him.

soxhop411 · Nov 30, 2015

Honestly, I *dont* mind the undefeated dream ending.... With the way this game was officiated, I feel the Pats will now come out with a HUGE chip on their shoulder......

anyway, I cant get Too mad at Harper given the weather conditions.... Plus many of our game icing drives will killed by bullshit flags

Silverdude2167 · Nov 30, 2015

Harper is the Goat, but rookies make mistakes.

Outside of the extreme rage I have towards the officiating ATM, I am very impressed with the team, going in I did not expect them to win the game.
I would like to see any other team put up with the losses they have sustained and almost beat Denver in Denver.

Even after the muffed punt, the team was in position to win multiple times, and had them taken away by terrible calls/non-calls. When they had a minute to get a FG with out their top 3 receiving options. They were able to do it.

As long as Gronk can come back by the playoffs and be effective, I think this game will be a positive for the team.

Morgan's Magic Snowplow · Nov 30, 2015

amarshal2 said:
Injury gods
Fumble gods
Zebra gods
Chris Harper

Perfect.

Silverdude2167 · Nov 30, 2015

Also, if anyone wants to get angrier at the refs. Go watch 80's block on the OT TD run. More of a hold there than on Chung. Fuck the Refs.

DeadlySplitter · Nov 30, 2015

Harper
Brady/McD were bad in the 2nd half overall, wrong times to run/pass everywhere including the Gronk injury play
Chung - it's a deflection but that game-ending INT did hit him in the hands

Defense was awesome, did break down twice on two Anderson runs but they are an elite unit at full strength IMO

It took this much shit for us to even go to OT, so come out hungry and finish off the 1 seed in December, and then take the Miami game off.

soxhop411 · Nov 30, 2015

Silverdude2167 said:
Harper is the Goat, but rookies make mistakes.

Outside of the extreme rage I have towards the officiating ATM, I am very impressed with the team, going in I did not expect them to win the game.
I would like to see any other team put up with the losses they have sustained and almost beat Denver in Denver.

Even after the muffed punt, the team was in position to win multiple times, and had them taken away by terrible calls/non-calls. When they had a minute to get a FG with out their top 3 receiving options. They were able to do it.

As long as Gronk can come back by the playoffs and be effective, I think this game will be a positive for the team.

exactly

Stitch01 · Nov 30, 2015

One pretty glaring error and a bunch of bullshit. If by some miracle they didn't lose Gronk or Hightower just chalk it up to lolnfl and move on. Pats soul crush Denver in the playoffs with any sort of health luck

soxhop411 · Nov 30, 2015

Christopher Price ‏@cpriceNFL 6m6 minutes ago
BB on OPI calls: Talk to the league. I'm sure they have all the answers.

soxhop411 · Nov 30, 2015

Stitch01 said:
One pretty glaring error and a bunch of bullshit. If by some miracle they didn't lose Gronk or Hightower just chalk it up to lolnfl and move on. Pats soul crush Denver in the playoffs with any sort of health luck

And the NFL not turning into the WWE in the playoffs

jablo1312 · Nov 30, 2015

I know hindsight is 20/20, but I was saying at the time that I wish Belichick gave more thought to kicking off in overtime. Pin the Broncos back relatively deep, and just keep Osweiler from going 80 yards on you. Even if they get the field goal, you have the added bonus of having an extra down, and can still win the game by going scoring a touchdown. It's obviously something he would consider (being that he's done it before) and I thought it made a lot of sense seeing as Gronk had been carted off the field like 10 minutes earlier.

Anyway, the loss is on Harper. Pats fumble luck in general was pretty terrible tonight. I won't get into bitching about refs.

Brady and Ghost still deserve game balls. McDaniels does not.

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Nov 30, 2015

Silverdude2167 said:
Also, if anyone wants to get angrier at the refs. Go watch 80's block on the OT TD run. More of a hold there than on Chung. Fuck the Refs.

Ridiculously blatant hold.

kenneycb · Nov 30, 2015

Given McDaniels was working with Bolden as his lead back, Chandler as his TE and LaFell and Martin as his top WRs by the end of the game, I'm willing to give him more of a pass on this game.

williams_482 · Nov 30, 2015

jablo1312 said:
I know hindsight is 20/20, but I was saying at the time that I wish Belichick gave more thought to kicking off in overtime. Pin the Broncos back relatively deep, and just keep Osweiler from going 80 yards on you. Even if they get the field goal, you have the added bonus of having an extra down, and can still win the game by going scoring a touchdown. It's obviously something he would consider (being that he's done it before) and I thought it made a lot of sense seeing as Gronk had been carted off the field like 10 minutes earlier.

Aside from hindsight I can't think of any good reasons to do this outside the minescule hope of Gronk being able to play after a few minutes extra time.

Belichick gave them the ball last year because the wind was a huge factor in one direction. That wasn't true here, and there is no other factor that could (to my mind, anyway) possibly justify giving them the ball.

riboflav · Nov 30, 2015

Tiebreaker just took a hit.

It's really about the injuries at this point. Everyone keeps saying just get them back for the playoffs, but I'm concerned they could lose out on the bye if they don't have Gronk and #80 back soon. Even at almost-full strength (minus Lewis and Solder), having to win two on the road in the playoffs is not easy. There's also that uncomfortable feeling, even if the better team, that they're a bad call or two away on the road in the playoffs from disaster.

Biggest obstacles without a fully healthy team... at Jets and at Texans (at Dolphins looms too because... well, it's in Miami).

riboflav · Nov 30, 2015

jablo1312 said:
I know hindsight is 20/20, but I was saying at the time that I wish Belichick gave more thought to kicking off in overtime. Pin the Broncos back relatively deep, and just keep Osweiler from going 80 yards on you. Even if they get the field goal, you have the added bonus of having an extra down, and can still win the game by going scoring a touchdown. It's obviously something he would consider (being that he's done it before) and I thought it made a lot of sense seeing as Gronk had been carted off the field like 10 minutes earlier.

Anyway, the loss is on Harper. Pats fumble luck in general was pretty terrible tonight. I won't get into bitching about refs.

Brady and Ghost still deserve game balls. McDaniels does not.

I agree. I thought for sure he was going to kick off.

soxhop411 · Nov 30, 2015

Honestly, I wont put it past the NFL to pull this shit again in a more crucial/playoff game

riboflav · Nov 30, 2015

Why the hell is the respected local media (Finn and Kyed) calling out Chandler Jones for saying that the Pats are on to Philly? What were they expecting?

RG33 · Nov 30, 2015

Harper certainly deserves a GOAT award, but not sure about putting him in the position to catch punts in the wind and snow on the road in the 2nd half is a great idea.

Refs were awful -- the OPI, the def holding that nullified the sack, the phantom holding on the deep ball, the non-call on running into kicker in 1st half, the non-call on hit to head on Brady, the lack of saying "we will wind the clock" on the excess timeout like they do in EVERY situation with that -- just brutal.

UP
Logan Ryan looked great
Sheard continues to make an impact
Butler was solid overall
Brady is a beast. A BEAST.
Ghost is nails.

soxhop411 · Nov 30, 2015

soxhop411 · Nov 30, 2015

Scott Zolak ‏@scottzolak 22m22 minutes ago
Talked to others close to it that 87 has been singled out by league to target him on consistent basis for more push offs on him. Singled out

BigSoxFan · Nov 30, 2015

I mean, it's pretty obvious that Gronk is getting the NFL's equivalent of the Shaq treatment. Ben Coates wouldn't be able to play in today's NFL.

Papelbon's Poutine · Nov 30, 2015

soxhop411 said:
Honestly, I wont put it past the NFL to pull this shit again in a more crucial/playoff game

If you think the NFL office is competent enough to pull off some kind of screw jobs via the refs, well you just don't understand the state of the league. Refs sucking is not some kind of payback to the Pats. They suck a lot, in a lot of games. The crews that went on strike a couple years ago looking for better pay aren't going to try to act out the Ginger Hammer's vengeance script.

dcmissle · Nov 30, 2015

riboflav said:
Why the hell is the respected local media (Finn and Kyed) calling out Chandler Jones for saying that the Pats are on to Philly? What were they expecting?

Bright sides:

1. Many feared getting hosed by the refs all season, but that has not happened. Even though there have been a few games tight late that could have been tilted. Jets and Giants quickly come to mind. it just could have been a bad night for the crew.

2. Denver and Cincy play each other, and then both play Pittsburgh, which will be fighting for its playoff life. The Denver game will be at Pittsburgh. Darn good chance each net another loss, and one of them could net 2.

3. Don't fear playing any of these teams on the road if need be, but would hate to lose the bye week. So long as they beat the team they should, we ought to be ok. At Houston and at NYJ should be tricky, but they are certainly winnable. We are, though, at the end of the line on injuries. Just can't have any more, period.

4. Just as happy to have the undefeated season business out of the way, though this was not the game to lose.

brandonchristensen · Nov 30, 2015

Goat: SOSH

You weren't there when I needed you.

Turrable · Nov 30, 2015

I'm laughing my ass off watching Bill channel every ounce of rage from every shitty call, injury and bad bounce into his answer for the poor bastard who asked how it felt to watch Gronk go down http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015112911/2015/REG12/patriots@broncos#menu=gameinfo|contentId:0ap3000000591293&tab=videos (go to 1:40)

E5 Yaz · Nov 30, 2015

brandonchristensen said:
Goat: SOSH

You weren't there when I needed you.

Channel that frustration ... volunteer to help maintain the server and the website!

Kliq · Nov 30, 2015

Gostkowski gets a game ball for hitting a 47 yard field goal in a snow storm as time expired to send the game into OT. Brady gets one as well because the game tying drive was unbelievable considering what he was working with. I also felt that Malcom Brown played pretty well and is starting to have a significant impact on the game.

I didn't like the playcalling. In the first three quarters we played ultra-conservative, even though it was clear that we could pass on their secondary all day. I swear Brady threw that fade route to Chandler out of bounds 15 times during the game.

I'm not that mad at Harper. It was shitty weather, he is a rookie and he is also what, our 4th string returner? Shit happens.

soxhop411 · Nov 30, 2015

Papelbon's Poutine said:
If you think the NFL office is competent enough to pull off some kind of screw jobs via the refs, well you just don't understand the state of the league. Refs sucking is not some kind of payback to the Pats. They suck a lot, in a lot of games. The crews that went on strike a couple years ago looking for better pay aren't going to try to act out the Ginger Hammer's vengeance script.

given the rumor that the refs are calling Gronk differently, than other players, I wouldn’t put it past the NFL….

Scott Zolak ‏@scottzolak 22m22 minutes ago
Talked to others close to it that 87 has been singled out by league to target him on consistent basis for more push offs on him. Singled out

Christopher Price ‏@cpriceNFL 6m6 minutes ago
Not counting declined/offset calls, Gronk has been flagged for 5 OPIs this yr, most in NFL. From '11-14, he only had 1 other OPI call. (’12)

something is going on here, Gronk has not changed his play style… So why the rise in flags?

GeorgeCostanza · Nov 30, 2015

E5 Yaz said:
Harper, obviously, but the lack of a running game showed up here as well.

Looked to me that Bolden was the back who had the most ease with the conditions. Blount looked like he wanted to be anywhere else.

Pats were moving the ball quite well early on without the running game and then inexplicably tried to force a running game.

Refs, Harper, McD and injuries are my goats.

CaptainLaddie · Nov 30, 2015

The NFL hates the Patriots.

Papelbon's Poutine · Nov 30, 2015

soxhop411 said:
given the rumor that the refs are calling Gronk differently, than other players, I wouldn’t put it past the NFL….

Christopher Price ‏@cpriceNFL 6m6 minutes ago
Not counting declined/offset calls, Gronk has been flagged for 5 OPIs this yr, most in NFL. From '11-14, he only had 1 other OPI call. (’12)

something is going on here, Gronk has not changed his play style… So why the rise in flags?

Oh, snap, you posted a tweet. How shocking.

Here's the thing - every season someone has to lead the league in every stat. Yes, it was a bullshit call on him tonight. But of the five he's deserved at least three. Citing Scott Zolak is about as worthy as the high school kids you quote regularly. And someone else citing the stat is like people citing that the Pats fumble history while trying to prove deflategate.

The refs and the league are not a team. They do their damage control and politic to make each other look like they suck less, but they are not in cahoots. They've fucked up far worse calls than they did tonight dozens of times. Crying conspiracy makes us look like sore losers and perpetuates the issue.

We lost. There were bad calls that may or may not have changed the outcome. If you want to go beyond that to try to build some kind of narrative or paranoid conspiracy theory that the league office caused it, knock yourself out but you look like a crybaby.

Adrian's Dome · Nov 30, 2015

You want a GOAT?

The NFL and the refs.

Let's call a spade a spade. They got what they wanted.

Stitch01 · Nov 30, 2015

Papelbon's Poutine said:
Oh, snap, you posted a tweet. How shocking.

Here's the thing - every season someone has to lead the league in every stat. Yes, it was a bullshit call on him tonight. But of the five he's deserved at least three. Citing Scott Zolak is about as worthy as the high school kids you quote regularly. And someone else citing the stat is like people citing that the Pats fumble history while trying to prove deflategate.

The refs and the league are not a team. They do their damage control and politic to make each other look like they suck less, but they are not in cahoots. They've fucked up far worse calls than they did tonight dozens of times. Crying conspiracy makes us look like sore losers and perpetuates the issue.

We lost. There were bad calls that may or may not have changed the outcome. If you want to go beyond that to try to build some kind of narrative or paranoid conspiracy theory that the league office caused it, knock yourself out but you look like a crybaby.

There's no real maybe about refs deciding the outcome tonight, but yeah, it's way more likely that the refs suck than a real conspiracy outside of Gronk being clearly singled out for OPI calls

CaptainLaddie · Nov 30, 2015

Exactly. We won't see the PSI numbers from the pregame / halftime / postgame after this game.

Papelbon's Poutine · Nov 30, 2015

Adrian's Dome said:
You want a GOAT?

The NFL and the refs.

Let's call a spade a spade. They got what they wanted.

Yes, I'm sure all the people who make money off of attention to the league hated to have an undefeated team and the hype that built. I mean, the league was so upset about the finale in 07 against the Giants - in the midst of Spygate - being one of the highest rated games in the history of the sport that I'm sure they conspired with the ref union that they have such a great recent history with to make sure that didn't happen again.

RedOctober3829 · Nov 30, 2015

I know it's cool to blame the refs but there's real reasons why they lost. Chris Harper's muff, not running the ball in the 4 minute offense, and shotty tackling are just a couple of them. For all that went wrong, they still had the game in their hands and blew it. Up 14 in the 4th quarter and getting the ball back you have to field the punt and execute. Even up a score with 4 minutes left you have to finish the game no matter who's in there.

Stitch01 · Nov 30, 2015

Yeah they could have played better and won or just not had like four indefensible calls go against them and won.

Not running the ball in the four minute offense didn't actually cost them much in game. The first pass worked for a first down and Denver scored with lots of time to spare. I was disappointed how poorly they ran tonight but with a gassed defense thought throwing to try and win the game was fine vs running Blount into the line three times

Papelbon's Poutine · Nov 30, 2015

Stitch01 said:
There's no real maybe about refs deciding the outcome tonight, but yeah, it's way more likely that the refs suck than a real conspiracy outside of Gronk being clearly singled out for OPI calls

The Pats lost the game because of the fumble on the punt and they allowed big plays. The refs made shitty calls on more than a few plays, but if they had taken care of their shit, it wouldn't have made the difference. He only play I would really have a gripe about was the call that vacated the sack before the TD, but even then, they let up a big play to put themselves there. It's a loss. Not the end of the world and not reason to start flying the persecution flag.

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