Sons of Peter McNeeley- Boxing Thread

Marciano490

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Yeah, I'll do that for a hundred. I know you like bigger bets, but I hate putting large money against long odds.
 

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Cotto has been stripped of his WBC title for not wanting to pay 300K for the Canelo fight to be sanctioned. This is on top of agreeing to pay GGG 800K for not getting the fight.
 

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WBC wanted their cut, cotto said hell no. 300k is a lot for a division you dont plan to be at. Hell, he even said he's on his way out the game.
 

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So, is 9:00 pm the actual fight start time, or is that just when the broadcast coverage begins? If the fight doesn't start at 9:00 (or close to it) do we have an idea of when they'll touch gloves?
 

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My guess is they'd hit the ring around 8-830 pacific time.

Both guys made weight today. All business, no trash talking.
 

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I don't see any reason Canelo doesnt walk Cotto down and give him a beating.
Yeah, I agree with this. Regardless of whether or not you think Canelo beat Lara, he was still able to track him down and lay hands on him enough to make it a close fight. Cotto doesn't have Lara's speed or length and isn't as elusive. Cotto's best chance is to land something big early to keep Canelo thinking. The problem is that it'll require Cotto setting his feet to throw the shot which would put him in real danger against a guy that's a better puncher.
 

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Not totally sure I agree with that. It's easy to track down a fighter when you don't have to worry about their offense and Lara isn't Willie Pep. Cotto has a much, much better jab and that's better for keeping a fighter off you than getting on your bike.

Canelo has a big reach advantage, but I think part of that is mitigated by the fact that he isn't much of a jabber and not a great one when he does throw.

Cotto is going to hit Canelo a lot because Canelo's defense sucks. Whether he's able to hurt him given the big weight advantage Canelo is likely to carry into the ring will be one of the key factors. Beyond that, Cotto doesn't necessarily need to dance around Canelo, but he does need to get off and get out, which he's shown he's capable of with his improved footwork under Roach. Canelo is a bit of a clunker and awkward in the ring, and I think Cotto has the skill to land a couple solid shots then move.

That said, Canelo is definitely going to land, especially to the body, and we'll have to see how well Cotto takes it and how much he's willing to put on the line here.

All that said, I feel less good about my bet with WBV than I did when I made it.
 

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That was a sensational comeback by Vargas. Miura is a tough son of a bitch but got caught hard.

Tough week for Japan. Their vaunted baseball squad loses to the rival Korean squad after leading 3-0 going into top of the 9th. Then their pride Miura seems to earn complete control over the Bandido then BAM, a knockout loss.
 

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Canelo can't hurt Cotto with one punch, doesn't look like Cotto can hurt Canelo at all. 2-2.
 

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8-4 Canelo. Just too big and improved his defense just enough. His size let him stand in the pocket and counter or come forward when he wanted. Good fight.
 

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I gave Cotto rd 4 thats it

Edit: seeing as I was rooting for Canelo and Marciano wanted Cotto, the truth is probably Cotto with 2 or 3 rounds.
 
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Canelo surprised me in every fashion. He has a new fan. Completely outclassed Cotto. I enjoyed being wrong about him. He grew up a lot last night.

His defense was great, body punching, accuracy was solid, counter punching, and his overall command of the moment. At the top of the list for me was him taking away Cotto's left hook. He committed to guarding against it and truly the only time Cotto landed it was when Canelo took a calculated risk in exchanges.

Last night also showed the one glaring flaw in Roach as a trainer. He is tremendous in simplifying a plan A and getting his guy to be a machine but there is no plan B. When his guy's lose that's typically the case, there are very few adjustments mid fight.

I kind of understand the outrage over the wide cards that's sweeping the boxing net today but honestly, Cotto did not win the fight. So they got it right.
 
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Canelo surprised me in every fashion. He has a new fan. Completely outclassed Cotto. I enjoyed being wrong about him. He grew up a lot last night.

His defense was great, body punching, accuracy was solid, counter punching, and his overall command of the moment. At the top of the list for me was him taking away Cotto's left hook. He committed to guarding against it and truly the only time Cotto landed it was when Canelo took a calculated risk in exchanges.

Last night also showed the one glaring flaw in Roach as a trainer. He is tremendous in simplifying a plan A and getting his guy to be a machine but there is no plan B. When his guy's lose that's typically the case, there are very few adjustments mid fight.

I kind of understand the outrage over the wide cards that's sweeping the boxing net today but honestly, Cotto did not win the fight. So they got it right.

I didn't know people were crying about the scores. I'm surprised because I did not think it was close
 

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I didn't know people were crying about the scores. I'm surprised because I did not think it was close
Me neither. I'm in Mexico right now, and one of the staff at my hotel asked me last night whether I thought Canelo really won the fight, and he seemed genuinely surprised that I expressed no doubt. I get the sense that Canelo is not as popular here as you would think he'd be. Maybe because he seemingly lacks that stereotypical Mexican boxer warrior mentality.
 

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I didn't know people were crying about the scores. I'm surprised because I did not think it was close
It's these types of "controversies" that keep me checked out of the boxing internet. People are so mad the cards were wide, they now feel that cotto was robbed and won the fight.
 

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The singing was the best part of the fight.

Before the fight i favored both guys over wilder but after that atrocity i cant. That was one of the worst fights ive seen in my life. All wilder would have to do is throw more than 2 punches a round.

That was so damn awful, i cant believe Wlad lost to that crap. Embarrassing
 

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Where Brooklyn at? Jacobs 1st round ko! Wow.


Had no problem with the stoppage. Quillin would have done himself some good had he taken a knee during the barrage. A knee would have saved him from that last shot that had him zombie walking
 
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I love this Celtics team.

Anyway, I'm seeing Gatti without the power.

I'm going to watch some more film though, I think you know this game.
 

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Yeah please do. I don't even hesitate saying that. Nobody is particularly close right now.
 

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California. Duh.
Fury's already lost one of the belts, as the IBF stripped him for not agreeing to defend against Vyacheslav Glazkov. Of course, he couldn't agree to that because he's contractually obligated to give Klitschko a rematch. Ridiculous.
 

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I honestly can't believe he's that desperate for money. I think he truly is delusional and wants to go out with a belt but please roy, please stop. It made me sad watching him get slept
 

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I honestly can't believe he's that desperate for money. I think he truly is delusional and wants to go out with a belt but please roy, please stop. It made me sad watching him get slept
Evander needs to give him a call.
 

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On a lighter note. Came across Elmo Henderson's name as he beat Muhammad Ali in an exhibition in 1972. Kind of interesting. Buried in his Wikipedia entry is this about Ernie Shavers.
Shavers was the hardest puncher that Henderson had ever encountered during his career, at that time Ernie Shavers had never lost and during the year 1971 alone Shavers had 17 professional fights and won them all and most by knockouts.
Who knows, they may have all been stiffs but he was kicking the hell out of guys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmo_Henderson
 

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Finally saw chasing Tyson on Netflix. excellent doc on Evander. Highly recommend for the comedy of Tyson alone
 

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Just a heads up for the boxing heads in here, Wilder returns tonight to really kick off the 2016 boxing calendar. On paper it's supposed to be a showcase but Szpilka is pretty tough and has been in there with Jennings and Adamek so he's not a slouch.
 

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Just a heads up for the boxing heads in here, Wilder returns tonight to really kick off the 2016 boxing calendar. On paper it's supposed to be a showcase but Szpilka is pretty tough and has been in there with Jennings and Adamek so he's not a slouch.
Pulling hard for Wilder to be successful on a large scale. Exciting knockout homegrown guy heavyweight.
 

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He might get the winner of Wlad Fury by the end of the year if takes care of business in the interim.

One note on Szpilka, he has decent hand speed so Wilder will need to avoid getting lazy if this is a drawn out fight.
 

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Tyson isn't very skilled but the division could use a showman like him.
That show he put on after the fight was old school WWF. These guys have a fight in between them, maybe if they win they can see each other at the end of the year.

Szpilka fought a decent fight but was way to sloppy. I was actually surprised Wilder was able to catch him come in as he looked a little gassed.
 

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Wlad has to retire. He had a long career and his recent fights had more rounds, it seems his right-hand is gone or he avoids it. Just working with the jab will get him into some trouble, as his speed is gone to some degree and he can´t keep a bigger guy like Fury off himself. I hope he will knock that douchebag out in the 2nd fight and then retire.
As funny and entertaining as Fury is, he is also doing some dumb (=disrespectful) things, so he can have a beating. He´s young enough to come back and then beat the crap out of David Haye, who also came back yesterday. When Klitschko is gone (the Real Klitschko is, already), there could be a lot of entertaining fights between some of the heavyweights.
 

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I forgot to mention David Haye coming back yesterday looking like he got a few shipments from Manning's wife.

The HW division now has a solid 6-7 entertaining players. They aren't all time greats or have tremendous resumes but at least the division is alive again.