Good for him. Most coaches hang around far too long and kill the program in the process (Hi Mack Brown!).
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Al Golden Fired.
http://www.hurricanesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=28700&ATCLID=210450744
This is a tougher job than in the past. The facilities are crap. Sun Life Stadium is 35 minutes away. They really need to get an on campus stadium to have any chance about seriously competing again.
http://www.hurricanesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=28700&ATCLID=210450744
This is a tougher job than in the past. The facilities are crap. Sun Life Stadium is 35 minutes away. They really need to get an on campus stadium to have any chance about seriously competing again.
They just spent a ton of money renovating the stadium. That's not going to happen, and the stadium hardly seems like one of the bigger problems with that program.jsinger121 said:
WayBackVazquez said:
It's not even the Hurricanes own stadium and they didn't pay for any of the renovations. They have zero ownership interest in it. They need there own on campus stadium badly not one that is 35-40 minutes away from students.
George O'Leary (UCF) retired effective immediately today
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13969897/george-oleary-ucf-knights-head-coach
Maybe he did this to take the Miami job! (I kid, I kid)
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13969897/george-oleary-ucf-knights-head-coach
Maybe he did this to take the Miami job! (I kid, I kid)
The ironic thing is in a couple years there will be two stadiums on the old Orange Bowl site, neither a good fit for the Canes.jsinger121 said:
Agree that the entire program needs to be looked at top to bottom from coaching to facilities to OOC scheduling. Golden walked into a mess and couldn't fix it. They need to be on campus, upgrade practice facilities and get the right guy to take that program and move it forward. Problem is there are at least 2 programs looking for coaches that care better deals both as to facilities and pay (both have the initials USC).jsinger121 said:
I just don't see how an off-campus stadium is to blame for crappy teams. They played off campus when they were good, and when there is a decent team the students (who are a small percentage of a good home crowd anyway) will come. If the location prevents alumni (= donors) from getting to games, I get it. But off campus doesn't seem to hurt UCLA, for example.jsinger121 said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/118935/3-point-stance-miamis-problems-extend-far-beyond-al-golden
This is exactly the reason Miami has fallen off the cliff. They need to vastly improve the facilities and bring the on campus stadium to the Coral Gables campus. Without that they are cooked as a program.
Far be it fro' me to disagree with Ivan Maisel, but Miami has continued to bring in top 10ish recruiting classes most years. The problem is not being able to recruit talent, it's coaching it.
It's a smallish private school with an endowment dwarfed not only by those at its public university football peers, but also by those of places like Boston College and Vanderbilt. Spending a half billion dollars on a football stadium when your university has an endowment of only $800 million, and when you're already locked into a multi-decade lease than will cost you a ton of money to get out of would be criminal malfeasance.
When you only have 16,000 students, the idea that somehow building a new stadium will fill it to the brim like its Ohio State, regardless of the product on the field is really silly.
You really don't think they can ever hope to compete again without a new stadium? So if Nick Saban, or Urban Meyer, or Jim Harbaugh took over tomorrow, they'd all be destined for failure?
It's a smallish private school with an endowment dwarfed not only by those at its public university football peers, but also by those of places like Boston College and Vanderbilt. Spending a half billion dollars on a football stadium when your university has an endowment of only $800 million, and when you're already locked into a multi-decade lease than will cost you a ton of money to get out of would be criminal malfeasance.
When you only have 16,000 students, the idea that somehow building a new stadium will fill it to the brim like its Ohio State, regardless of the product on the field is really silly.
You really don't think they can ever hope to compete again without a new stadium? So if Nick Saban, or Urban Meyer, or Jim Harbaugh took over tomorrow, they'd all be destined for failure?
Iowa State fired Mark Mangino (was their OC) today. Which is really weird since their offense has been quite good.
Please, please let this happen:
(Ed) Reed, a two-time All-American for the Hurricanes (2000, '01), said in an interview with "The Rich Eisen Show" on Fox Sports radio that although he has no coaching experience, he'd be willing to listen if the school called with interest.
"I would definitely listen, would go and talk and want to know what they're looking to do. I would entertain it. I'm at a different place in my life right now, working out, training, coaching from afar, helping guys out, high school, college and pro alike. I definitely would entertain it," he said.
(Ed) Reed, a two-time All-American for the Hurricanes (2000, '01), said in an interview with "The Rich Eisen Show" on Fox Sports radio that although he has no coaching experience, he'd be willing to listen if the school called with interest.
"I would definitely listen, would go and talk and want to know what they're looking to do. I would entertain it. I'm at a different place in my life right now, working out, training, coaching from afar, helping guys out, high school, college and pro alike. I definitely would entertain it," he said.
And KU had a great record when he left there too. This is probably more of a character issue again.canderson said:
WayBackVazquez said:
Agree that they need better coaching, but Miami has not a chance on Earth of attracting an elite coach, and historically never has. They've gotten coaches who stepped up to the job after being above average in mediocre jobs, or career assistants with UM ties. Snelly was 4-13 and fired by the Colts when he was hired. Jimmy Johnson was 29-23-3 at Okie. Erickson was 50-31-1 at Idaho, Wyoming and Wazzu. Golden was 27-34 at Temple. No major bowl appearances and the only title between them was Erickson's D-1AA Big Sky conference title at Idaho. Butch Davis was probably the biggest hire (DC of a Super Bowl champ). Except for Larry Coker, the guys who did well jumped for a better job at the first chance.
The recruiting has been solid but they aren't getting elite players. They've only had 3 5-star players and 2 first round picks in 5 years. Clemson had 4 5-stars just last year. 15 or 20 years ago, a guy like Teddy Bridgewater would never have left Miami, they could stockpile recruits, guys waited their turn, but more guys want to play right away. They have two state schools that have had more recent success and blow them away facilities-wise, and other in-state FBS schools that barely existed or didn't exist 20 years back, where players can play right away.
The problem with the stadium isn't that it's off-campus, it's that the city blew up their old home and pushed them into second-class citizenship in a lame stadium that doesn't suit them, and further away to boot. The Orange Bowl was a dump, but it was their dump. College football is about atmosphere and gameday tradition, and those all changed, in a picky, pro sports city. It'll take time to develop those traditions again. Before the renovations, the sidelines in Sun Life, put together, were wider than the field. The renovations will help, especially the roof that goes up next year, which looks really cool. But they don't like it there. There's a reason Miami tried to work out a stadium share with Beckham's MLS team, but that went nowhere. While half a billion is probably overstating things, they likely can't even raise the $300 million for a stadium like Minnesota or Baylor recently built, and a Houston or UCF-type bleacher palace probably won't cut it. They'll have to do what Baylor did, get good to get a stadium.
ethangl said:
Well, that would be good for recruiting, right? I mean, he'd definitely need an assistant HC to teach him the ropes of the day-to-day responsibilities, but I can imagine an NFL GOAT would have some serious gravitas when sitting down with a recruit and selling the U.
Would it help recruiting? Probably. Ed Reed is the U. He would bring a lot of the cache, as far as personality, that the U has lacked. However, the guy has never coached. I think that the better move would be for whoever the new coach is to push Reed to come in and be a position coach and an assistant HC or something (title wise). He is definitely someone that could be an asset, but I don't think that he could run a program day 1, no matter how much he loves the U.
soxfan121 said:
I believe that, if this was an effective tactic, you would see every major program place an alum of similar stature in a very-well-compensated "closing" role.
It hasn't been done in football (as far as I know), but this exact same line of thinking led to Clyde Drexler getting the Houston job. Does his, ahem, success prove that Reed couldn't succeed? No, but it shows that being an alum and gravitas don't mean as much as you might think.
I think if Reed was serious about coaching, he would be... coaching. Jim Harbaugh coached at WKU for 7 or 8 years before getting the QBC job in Oakland.
Good summary from campusrush.com, which provides a summary of the following (some wild speculation, of course)
[*]USC
[*]Virginia Tech
[*]Middle Tier
[*]South Carolina
[*]Virginia
[*]West Virginia
[*]Bottom Tier
[*]lllinois
[*]Indiana
[*]Iowa State
[*]Kansas State
[*]Rutgers
[*]
Purdue
[*]
Syracuse
[*]Bonus Job:
- Top Tier
Miami
Status: Open - Candidate Speculation: Greg Schiano, Rob Chudzinski, Mario Cristobal, Doc Holliday, Tom Herman and Justin Fuentes
[*]USC
- Status: Open
- Dream List: Chip Kelly, Bob Stoops, Bill O'Brien, Jason Garrett
- Realistic List: Kyle Whittingham, Clay Helton, Pat Fitzgerald, Dan Mullen, Jeff Fisher, Jack Del Rio and Pat Narduzz
[*]Virginia Tech
- Status: 80% chance of opening
- Names: Rich Rodriguez, Justin Fuente, Tom Herman, Matt Wells, Matt Campbell and Matt Rhule
[*]Middle Tier
- Maryland
Status: Open - Names: Pep Hamilton, Frank Reich, Greg Schiano, Matt Rhule, Rich Rodriguez, Dino Babers, Matt Campbell, Bill O'Brien, D.J. Durkin, Everett Withers, Mike Bloomgren and Noel Mazzone
[*]South Carolina
- Status: Open
- Names: Kirby Smart, Justin Fuente, Tom Herman, Doc Holliday, Jeff Brohm, Sonny Dykes and Rich Rodriguez
[*]Virginia
- Status: 97% chance of opening
- Names: Pep Hamilton, Scott Frost, Mack Brown, Matt Rhule, Matt Campbell, Matt Wells, Everett Withers, Greg Schiano, Jeff Brohm, Mike Bloomgren and Pete Lembo
[*]West Virginia
- Status: 50% chance of opening
- Names: Doc Holliday, Matt Campbell, Kirby Smart, Mario Cristobal and Chris Ash
[*]Bottom Tier
- Colorado
Status: 50% chance to open - Names: Matt Wells, Scott Frost, Troy Calhoun, Mike Sanford, Dino Babers, Bronco Mendenhall, Mike Bloomgren, Chris Ash, Mike Norvell and Dirk Koetter
[*]lllinois
- Status: Open
- Rod Carey, P.J. Fleck, Dino Babers, Everett Withers, Mike Sanford, Chris Ash, Ed Warinner and Brock Spack
[*]Indiana
- Status: 20% chance of opening
- Names: Rod Carey, Chris Ash, Ed Warinner, D.J. Durkin and Mike Sanford
[*]Iowa State
- Status: 90% chance of opening
- Names: Dino Babers, David Bailiff, Brady Hoke, Houston Nutt, Ed Warinner, Troy Calhoun and Bo Pelini
[*]Kansas State
- Status: 65% percent chance of opening
- Names: Troy Calhoun, Brent Venables, Sonny Dykes, Willie Fritz, Rod Carey, Doug Meacham, Mike Norvell, Chris Ash and Ed Warinner
[*]Rutgers
- Status: 80% chance to open
- Names: Joe Moglia, Al Golden, Joe Moorhead, P.J. Fleck, Brady Hoke, Jeff Brohm and Robb Smith
[*]
Purdue
Status: 90% likely to open
Names: Brock Spack, Rod Carey, Brady Hoke, Jeff Brohm, Mike Sanford, Dino Babers, Ed Warinner, D.J. Durkin and Lincoln Riley
[*]
Syracuse
Status: 65% chance of opening
Names: Scott Frost, Teryl Austin, Mario Cristobal, Bo Pelini, Joe Moorhead, Dave Warner, Ryan Day, Joe Moglia, Chris Ash, Ed Warinner and D.J. Durkin
[*]Bonus Job:
- Central Florida
Status: Open - Names: Doc Holliday, Jeff Brohm, Mario Cristobal, Greg Schiano, Eddie Gran, P.J. Fleck, Dino Babers, Geoff Collins and Manny Diaz
ethangl said:
Texas has employed, in both official and unofficial capacities, former players to have a role in recruiting and other aspects of the program. Earl, Ricky, and Vince all have worked for or work for the athletic department in some way. It's an important thing at Texas and seems to work well.
Just watched the Jerry Kill presser, one of the most emotional sports press conferences I've ever seen. He was crying off and on, they passed him a box of tissues and he just shook his head and didn't take any.
He said had two seizures yesterday, decided to retire, but still went out and coached after the seizures just to make sure. He said he's gotten no more than 3 hours of sleep the last few weeks, and his wife stays up to watch him and said that's no way to live. He said he was thinking about Flip Saunders dying at 60, and him being 54, he doesn't want to go out coaching. He just can't coach the way he wants to, doesn't want to coach from a booth or take it easier or take more time off. Doesn't want to steal from the university, he's leaving a whole lot of money, but it's not worth his health.
He said had two seizures yesterday, decided to retire, but still went out and coached after the seizures just to make sure. He said he's gotten no more than 3 hours of sleep the last few weeks, and his wife stays up to watch him and said that's no way to live. He said he was thinking about Flip Saunders dying at 60, and him being 54, he doesn't want to go out coaching. He just can't coach the way he wants to, doesn't want to coach from a booth or take it easier or take more time off. Doesn't want to steal from the university, he's leaving a whole lot of money, but it's not worth his health.
Kremlin Watcher said:
What they do compares in no way to having somebody on staff in this role, for a bunch of reasons.
http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/role-boosters
Saw it too. That was a completely raw display of emotion. The man was devastated and he didn't try to hide it. You will rarely see anyone speak from the heart so directly.Infield Infidel said:
To call it "moving" is to do it/him an injustice.
Didn't know him at all before I saw this.
From everything I've ever heard about him, he seems like an incredibly good and stand-up guy. Terrible his health has caused this but I'm glad he recognized it before it was too late.Infield Infidel said:
Hopefully the removal of the job stress can help him going forward, and hopefully Minnesota can help him if/when he needs a job. I'm sure he can be a good loyalty booster for that program.
My bet is that he'll remain on staff as an assistant to the AD and still get paid.canderson said:
Why is Rich Rodriguez being linked to jobs like Maryland? Is that a better job than Arizona? Or is the idea that going back to the East Coast would be beneficial for Rodriguez?
I don't want to speak ill of a person who is experiencing the health problems he is, but I played for Jerry Kill, and the person he pretends to be to the media and the person he actually is are quite different. He's not a bad guy, per se, but he blatantly treats players like commodities, more so than most coaches (not that I know all coaches, but I played for three different college coaches, and Kill was the most egregious at this).canderson said:
I do feel for him, though, and it's possible his tactics have changed in the 10-15 years since I played for him.
I'm not sure. It seems like Arizona is taking steps to invest more in their football program. They just invested just south of $75 million into new facilities in addition to adding to Arizona Stadium. From my stand point, it seems like they're taking football more seriously and I would think that they'd make substantial efforts to keep Rich Rod. However, with regards to certain openings:Awesome Fossum said:
Maryland - They may or could have the backing of Kevin Plank (Under Armour), which would allow them to be Oregon East (with a good head coach). Other than that, I'm not sure. Maryland is another basketball school that is in a division with bigger football programs. It would be stepping into a similar situation as Arizona, except for the UA factor.
Miami - Recruiting. Rich Rod has recruited Florida at both West Virginia and Michigan. Getting over there and having that hot bed in his back yard would be huge. He could definitely get something out of the athletes there, for sure. I'm not sure culturally he's the right fit considering he's a little folksy.
I don't think Rich Rod is going to be available.
I've read a few writers posit that since FSU and Florida are both running pro-style offenses, Miami should switch to a spread to avoid competing for pro-style QBs, TEs and o-linemen. That would bring Rich Rod and Mike Leach into the picture, but I don't think Rodriguez is available. Leach on the other hand has a house in Key West and was interested in the job last time around.
So, Minnesota gave Tracy Claeys the permanent job. I guess they were impressed with the way he handled the end of the Michigan game?
This looks like back to the bottom of the conference for the Gophers to me.
This looks like back to the bottom of the conference for the Gophers to me.
Paul Rhoads fired from Iowa State. Shutting out Texas doesn't mean what it used to. 
Lots of noise Les Miles will be canned after their final conference game.
Lots of noise Les Miles will be canned after their final conference game.
Saw in the Syracuse papers that it is thought there could be up to 30 FBS openings this off season. Add to the list Tulane.
Memphis coach Justin Fuente is going to become the new head coach at Virginia Tech. Bud Foster will stay on at DC(at least for now).
I still am not sure that they will make a change. If they don't have their #1 target lined up and on board(supposedly Fisher) then why do it?
I assumed the Jimbo Fisher thing was just a stupid rumor -- why would he leave FSU for any available job besides (maybe) USC?
If LSU actually can get Fisher, that changes things.
It's better than South Carolina, not as good as Southern Cal or (less clearly) Georgia. If they like Kirby Smart better than Les Miles and have reason to think he'll choose them over Georgia, that might make sense. But if they don't have an inside track on a particular coach, I think it would be a mistake to fire Miles.
Why would they rather have Kirby Smart than Les Miles though? That is ridiculous if they think it's an upgrade. They need to tweak their offense to have more uptempo plays and more passing. Hire a new OC and keep Miles. If they let go Miles and bring in anybody less than a current HC at a major power they will have made a huge mistake.
Miles is staying per the press conference of AD Joe Alleva. Says he will continue to be the coach.
Speculation is that Fisher wouldn't commit and/or the media backlash caused the LSU braintrust (if you can call it that) to rethink it.
Speculation is that Fisher wouldn't commit and/or the media backlash caused the LSU braintrust (if you can call it that) to rethink it.
Mark May thinks Jimbo Fisher will land in Georgia.
Kyle Flood tried to run a renegade program at Rutgers and has been shown the door today along with the AD (Julie Hermann).
Kyle Flood tried to run a renegade program at Rutgers and has been shown the door today along with the AD (Julie Hermann).
I mentioned up thread that I played for kill which means I played for claeys, too since the whole staff has been together for a long time. Claeys is a decent d coordinator, but I don't see him as a head coach. He has no personality.
The staff functioned well with kill at the helm because he is charismatic while the rest are football meatheads. Without kill, I don't see how they'll succeed, especially in recruiting.
http://collegespun.com/sec/georgia-sec/report-houstons-tom-herman-has-strong-interest-in-georgia-job
Herman might be interested in Georgia since he recruited Atlanta for Ohio State
Herman might be interested in Georgia since he recruited Atlanta for Ohio State