This, according to ESPN:Lose Remerswaal said:
The sanctions do not affect Syracuse's 2003 national championship or that team. The university, however, must reimburse the NCAA for all revenue earned during the NCAA tournaments from 2011-13.
Syracuse Basketball 2014-15: The Collapsing Zone
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The sanctions do not affect Syracuse's 2003 national championship or that team. The university, however, must reimburse the NCAA for all revenue earned during the NCAA tournaments from 2011-13.
The last time Syracuse got hit by sanctions (1992) it took a full decade for the program to really recover. Tough to imagine this not having the same effect (no post-season ban for next year helps).
I like how he tried to say that these things happened soooo long ago and it's taken forever for them to find anything, then brings up stuff from 2009 and 2012...the 2012 thing happening AFTER they instituted the stringent policy changes.
The Trevor Cooney comment was gold.
It would be cool to know the rules by which most of the consistently good teams in NCCAM basketball play. I understand the "rules" rules, but, seriously, without any judgement, I'd love to see what schools like Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, 'Cuse, Michigan, Michigan State (insert your perennial good team here) really actually do when it comes to this stuff. I am honestly past the point of caring when it comes to men's ball and football - these guys at the big schools are simply not there for an education and for fans to all continually pretend they are seems silly. So what is the actual bar? How far do these teams go before getting caught? And how harmful is going to that point? And who is being harmed?
Just thoughts. It's going to suck for a few years to be a 'Cuse fan. And my money is on Boeheim finding greener pastures doing something else in a place with less snow.
It would be cool to know the rules by which most of the consistently good teams in NCCAM basketball play. I understand the "rules" rules, but, seriously, without any judgement, I'd love to see what schools like Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, 'Cuse, Michigan, Michigan State (insert your perennial good team here) really actually do when it comes to this stuff. I am honestly past the point of caring when it comes to men's ball and football - these guys at the big schools are simply not there for an education and for fans to all continually pretend they are seems silly. So what is the actual bar? How far do these teams go before getting caught? And how harmful is going to that point? And who is being harmed?
Just thoughts. It's going to suck for a few years to be a 'Cuse fan. And my money is on Boeheim finding greener pastures doing something else in a place with less snow.
luckysox said:
I think they stay good for the next two years, assuming all four recruits honor their letters of intent (two already said they would). It'll take a couple years for the scholarship drain pain to really be felt. Maybe on appeal, they can get a bit of a break on the back end and JB can hand off to Hopkins after two more seasons.
Jimmy won't be chased away tomorrow. But he'll be 71 next season, so the clock's really running now.
The best part of this is that Cuse first self-reported violations in 2007, which prompted a three-year internal investigation. During this time they continued to cheat and then continued to cheat after the investigation was concluded.
there is a lot of credibility lacking in Gross' office right now. Jimmy B should maybe take a breather and move on
think about this...Boeheim in his statement is basically blaming the length of the investigation, during which, again, they continued to cheat. During that time they also
1) got into the ACC
2) had that silly 900th win celebration
3) he got to coach in olympics
4) made a final four
how many of those things happen if this was exposed for real in 2008?
So yeah, blame the dragged out process, Jimmy. All it did was benefit you and the school. now you're 71 and will likely step aside and blame everyone else for your demise. what a joke he is.
there is a lot of credibility lacking in Gross' office right now. Jimmy B should maybe take a breather and move on
think about this...Boeheim in his statement is basically blaming the length of the investigation, during which, again, they continued to cheat. During that time they also
1) got into the ACC
2) had that silly 900th win celebration
3) he got to coach in olympics
4) made a final four
how many of those things happen if this was exposed for real in 2008?
So yeah, blame the dragged out process, Jimmy. All it did was benefit you and the school. now you're 71 and will likely step aside and blame everyone else for your demise. what a joke he is.
Wolfpack fans singing "Y-M-C-A". Ouch.
I think most programs live in a glass house. What gets me is that some become NCAA and journalist favorites, and this is one. Jimmy B a master at working the system.
And the manipulative behavior rewarded by favoritism gets really annoying when considering the fates of lesser light and what the system tried to do to Tarkanian, for example.
I think most programs live in a glass house. What gets me is that some become NCAA and journalist favorites, and this is one. Jimmy B a master at working the system.
And the manipulative behavior rewarded by favoritism gets really annoying when considering the fates of lesser light and what the system tried to do to Tarkanian, for example.
Good details on the Fab Melo paper rewrite:
http://www.syracuse.com/orangesports/index.ssf/2015/03/syracuse_basketball_ncaa_investigation_how_far_did_school_go_keep_fab_melo_eligible.html
http://www.syracuse.com/orangesports/index.ssf/2015/03/syracuse_basketball_ncaa_investigation_how_far_did_school_go_keep_fab_melo_eligible.html
RedOctober3829 said:
That's what seemed right. Not be sent running. Not leave Hopkins with all those penalties. Maybe this deal is part of an appeal that knocks some of the scholarship sanction down for the fourth year?
Anyway, JB has a chance at a Final Four run in the next couple years with the recruits already signed. By year three, they'll be withering from the scholarship squeeze, and it'll be a JB farewell tour.
What an odd statement. He's going to have to announce his successor soon if he expects to continue recruiting - those players will play for someone else for a majority of their careers.
Edit: I guess Hopkins is known to be next, but still. I guess this gives him a chance to get to 1,000 if some subset of the wins are returned in the future.
Edit: I guess Hopkins is known to be next, but still. I guess this gives him a chance to get to 1,000 if some subset of the wins are returned in the future.
They have to sign Hopkins to some type of hybrid contract at some point in the next 12 months or else the Orange will get killed in the recruiting game. I'd imagine this is what happens.DukeSox said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3066477HomeRunBaker said:
Syracuse thought of that 7 years ago.
So, in this presser, Boeheim has denied everything, accused everyone and thrown the Syracuse football team under the bus. Congrats!
wow, he's a tough guy to like. The report from the NCAA had more details than any I've seen from them. the money trail all leads back.
wow, he's a tough guy to like. The report from the NCAA had more details than any I've seen from them. the money trail all leads back.
RedOctober3829 said:
I found him very credible and agree with his conclusions about the punishments, which are excessive and disproportionate. And if we think the NFL is bad at investigating (which they are), what is the NCAA?
B.J. Johnson and Ron Patterson are transferring. Not too surprising, as they really need those scholarships for new recruits.
Various reports seem uncertain if this means we can now sign senior Thomas Bryant, the kid from Rochester.
I'd take it with a grain of salt,but Gross "embraced" opportunity to serve in a new capacity.JimD said:
March 18, 2015
Dear Members of the University Community:
As I wrote
to you in early March, the NCAA Committee on Infractions
issued a report on March 6 finding that various violations
of NCAA rules occurred at Syracuse University. We take the
report and the violations it identifies very seriously,
particularly those that involve academic integrity and the
overall well-being of student-athletes. Some of these issues
have already been addressed by changes made years ago, but
we are working to do even more. This was the topic of
conversation at a special meeting with faculty leaders held
on Monday.
Today, I want to provide you an update on the
University’s plans moving forward.
The University does not agree with all of the conclusions
reached by the Committee on Infractions and does not agree
that the full set of penalties imposed by the Committee are
appropriate or equitable. We remain disturbed by the
severity of certain penalties and the characterization by
the NCAA of certain facts surrounding the case. After a full
discussion with the Board of Trustees Athletics Committee,
the University accepts some of the penalties imposed by the
Committee, but will appeal the vacation of certain wins for
the men’s basketball program and the reduction in
men’s basketball scholarships.
The decision to appeal is not taken lightly. However, based
on the facts and a review of previous NCAA infractions
decisions, the University believes the impact of these
specific penalties is excessive and disproportionate. The
University also will support Coach Boeheim should he choose
to appeal penalties that affect him personally.
As we work hard to make sure these past mistakes never
happen again, it is also an opportunity to look toward the
future. In recent weeks, I have had discussions with
Director of Athletics Dr. Daryl Gross and Head Coach Jim
Boeheim about the best way to move forward.
Dr. Gross cares deeply about our University, our
students-athletes, and the Athletics Department. Under his
leadership, Syracuse Athletics has had strong and broad
success. He led the University into the ACC, a stellar
conference renowned for both its athletics competition and
academic success. He hired an outstanding set of coaches,
increased Athletics’ fundraising to its highest
levels, and invested in an exceptional array of new
student-athlete facilities. His branding efforts were an
important component of the invitation to join the ACC and
have raised the University’s profile in New York City
and other key national regions. Overall, under his
leadership, thousands of student-athletes have succeeded in
competition, in the classroom, and in the world as proud
Syracuse alumni.
As part of my discussions with him, Dr. Gross has asked
to conclude his tenure as Director of Athletics and
transition to a new role at the University that can benefit
from his background and experience in the areas of marketing
and advancement. He believes this transition will allow SU
Athletics to move forward and position itself for continued
future success. Effective today, Dr. Gross will serve as
Vice President and Special Assistant to the Chancellor, and
adjunct professor in the David B. Falk College of Sport and
Human Dynamics. Dr. Gross has embraced this
opportunity and we look forward to his continued
contributions.
I have appointed Peter Sala, Senior Associate Director of
Athletics for Facilities and the Managing Director of the
Carrier Dome, to serve as Interim Director of Athletics. I
am grateful that Floyd Little, Special Assistant to the
Athletics Director, has agreed to counsel and assist Peter
through this term as Interim Director.
Steve Ballentine, who is a Board of Trustees member and
serves on the Board’s Athletics Committee, will chair
a small committee to assist the University in the search for
a new Director of Athletics. This committee will include:
Trustee Robert Miron, Chairman of the Board’s
Athletics Committee; Lavonda Reed, Associate Provost for
Faculty Affairs; Interim Athletics Director Sala; Barry
Wells, Special Assistant to the Chancellor; a representative
head coach; faculty and student representatives; and a
representative from the Office of University Counsel which
oversees Athletic Compliance. I will also be asking the
committee to review and recommend organizational and
structural changes with a focus on further enhancing the
overall student-athlete experience including the possible
creation of a new senior-level position to manage all
department operations.
Coach Jim Boeheim has been a mainstay at Syracuse University
for more than one-third of our entire 144-year history. He
enrolled as a student here in 1962 and has never left. Among
the many roles he has held at Syracuse are student-athlete,
graduate assistant, teacher, assistant coach, head coach,
community stalwart, philanthropist, U.S. Olympian coach, and
Hall of Fame member. In these roles, he has been the
embodiment of Orange Pride.
I have also had recent discussions with Coach Boeheim about
the Infractions Committee Report, and the future of his team
and program. Coach Boeheim has assured me that he will
respond thoughtfully and appropriately to the serious
findings of the Infractions Committee Report. Coach Boeheim
has also told me that he intends to retire as Head Coach in
three years. His goal in making this decision and
announcement now is to bring certainty to the team and
program in the coming years, and enable and plan for a
successful, longer-term transition in coaching leadership.
Coach Boeheim’s commitment to ensuring that the
men’s basketball program remains strong even after his
tenure is just one more example of his deep loyalty to our
University.
Finally, I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the
extraordinary support, counsel and hard work of many of you
as our University works through these issues. Syracuse
University is a great institution with a proud history, and
this has been a tough time. Thanks for the manifold
contributions of many people—including Athletics
Director Daryl Gross and Coach Jim Boeheim—so much
good has been accomplished here, and will be accomplished in
the years ahead. Thank you for your faith and support.
Sincerely,
Chancellor Kent Syverud
This was under Gross though. A new AD is going to want to bring in his own guy which opposing recruiters will use against Syracuse.LeftyTG said:
I thought they couldn't add if a LOI wasn't signed by the ruling.LeoCarrillo said:
I assume the NCAA didn't want boeheim to start pushing out kids to keep loading up his roster and avoid feeling a real scholly crunch
I doubt he gets drafted at all but how he measures could peak someone's interest. He's listed at 6-10 but measured at 6-8 1/2 in shoes so that 6-7 1/4 without shoes would likely assure he'll be a rookie FA which also really hurts his stock overseas. Being listed as an NBA draft pick does wonders for that overseas resume.
7-2 Providence transfer Paschal Chukwu has decided on the Orange. He'll sit out this coming season and have 3 years remaining beginning in the 2016-17 season. Man, as a Friar fan this stings and the year off to gain strength while learning his body should help him a lot. This kid has a real chance to be a low lottery pick if he works hard enough.....and may not last all 3 years at Syracuse. You can't teach 7-2 and long while also possessing raw basketball skills.
Chukwu is a great get for Syracuse. A 7'2" athletic rim defending center for the middle of the zone will transform what they can do on defense. He'll be a 3rd year sophomore after sitting out a year, and will have had a year to acclimate to the zone rotations and get stronger. He'll be a huge piece of the team in two years and helps mitigate the loss of Thomas Bryant.
The other big piece of news for Syracuse is that Tyus Battle decommitted from Michigan and immediately took an official visit to Syracuse. He was thought to be a Syracuse lean prior to committing to Michigan, so the decommit plus immediate official to Syracuse is a good sign. It has been a week and a half and no commit, but Syracuse has to feel pretty good (though certainly no sure thing).
The scholarships remain an issue. Word is that Syracuse expects to get back a scholarship on appeal. To get Battle, they'll either need a reduction in sanctions or have a player transfer (Obokoh?) or medically disqualify (Coleman).
Syracuse is also looking to add Andy Rautins clone Kevin Huerter, from the Albany area. Syracuse is trying to convince him to reclassify into 2017, where they'd be a scholarship for him. He's reportedly considering it, though he is starting to blow up and is attracting interest from other high D-1 schools.
The other big piece of news for Syracuse is that Tyus Battle decommitted from Michigan and immediately took an official visit to Syracuse. He was thought to be a Syracuse lean prior to committing to Michigan, so the decommit plus immediate official to Syracuse is a good sign. It has been a week and a half and no commit, but Syracuse has to feel pretty good (though certainly no sure thing).
The scholarships remain an issue. Word is that Syracuse expects to get back a scholarship on appeal. To get Battle, they'll either need a reduction in sanctions or have a player transfer (Obokoh?) or medically disqualify (Coleman).
Syracuse is also looking to add Andy Rautins clone Kevin Huerter, from the Albany area. Syracuse is trying to convince him to reclassify into 2017, where they'd be a scholarship for him. He's reportedly considering it, though he is starting to blow up and is attracting interest from other high D-1 schools.
Yeah, only 3 Top-12 ranked recruits this year including the #1 in the country along with two 4-star recruits for depth. Cal is clearly losing it.DukeSox said:
opcorn
especially on Thanksgiving!
I didn't realize Cuse shot so many threes. The frosh were good, too. I read that the schools are trying to plan an annual series. Hopefully at MSG
I didn't realize Cuse shot so many threes. The frosh were good, too. I read that the schools are trying to plan an annual series. Hopefully at MSG
I'd love to see an annual Syracuse/UConn series at MSG.
I still don't know what to make of this year's Syracuse team. They looked awful against the cupcakes to start the year. It is a very thin team, especially in the frontcourt - Obokoh is a mid major player and I'm skeptical of Coleman and his surgically repaired knee (though he seems to be shaking off rust). Cooney is Cooney at this point, he should be the 6th man on a really good team. He's a nice enough spot up shooter, but he still can't penetrate much or finish at the rim. Still, it's nice having two 5th year seniors starting in the backcourt.
Richardson has been better than I thought he'd be. Everyone knew he was a lights out shooter in high school, but he lacked energy in general and particularly on defense. He hasn't been that way in college, and is pretty physically developed for a true freshman. He's shooting has been very important, and he hasn't been a disaster at the back of the zone.
The only thing keeping this team from being a bubble/NIT team is Tyler Lydon, in my opinion. He was less heralded as a recruit, but he has shown an incredible basketball IQ. Boeheim, of all people, said in his press conference yesterday that Lydon sees things on the court that seniors don't. He's still not strong enough, but he has a toughness and willingness to mix it up, and is a very quick study. Syracuse hasn't had a true front court player who can shoot in a very very long time. Lydon is going to be lethal in the pick and roll, as he can knock down the three, but has also shown timing and aptitude for slipping the pick and diving to the rim. Few expected this much from him this soon.
This team will be particularly vulnerable to wearing down as the season progresses and I expect a good amount of inconsistency, but on the nights when they are hitting from deep they'll be able to beat anyone.
I still don't know what to make of this year's Syracuse team. They looked awful against the cupcakes to start the year. It is a very thin team, especially in the frontcourt - Obokoh is a mid major player and I'm skeptical of Coleman and his surgically repaired knee (though he seems to be shaking off rust). Cooney is Cooney at this point, he should be the 6th man on a really good team. He's a nice enough spot up shooter, but he still can't penetrate much or finish at the rim. Still, it's nice having two 5th year seniors starting in the backcourt.
Richardson has been better than I thought he'd be. Everyone knew he was a lights out shooter in high school, but he lacked energy in general and particularly on defense. He hasn't been that way in college, and is pretty physically developed for a true freshman. He's shooting has been very important, and he hasn't been a disaster at the back of the zone.
The only thing keeping this team from being a bubble/NIT team is Tyler Lydon, in my opinion. He was less heralded as a recruit, but he has shown an incredible basketball IQ. Boeheim, of all people, said in his press conference yesterday that Lydon sees things on the court that seniors don't. He's still not strong enough, but he has a toughness and willingness to mix it up, and is a very quick study. Syracuse hasn't had a true front court player who can shoot in a very very long time. Lydon is going to be lethal in the pick and roll, as he can knock down the three, but has also shown timing and aptitude for slipping the pick and diving to the rim. Few expected this much from him this soon.
This team will be particularly vulnerable to wearing down as the season progresses and I expect a good amount of inconsistency, but on the nights when they are hitting from deep they'll be able to beat anyone.
Lydon is the wild card and it looks like we just hit "21"...
There were rumblings that this kid could add some value after summer ball (think Terrence Roberts said look out for Lydon after playing ball with him). His stroke is absurd, McNamara-esque, except in a 6'8" frame. There really isn't anything he has done poorly: block shots, rebound, take charges, pass from the high post, sinks FTs with ease...even his haircut is something out of Hoosiers.
Most importantly when he's on the floor he makes Cooney the 4th best shooting option. Hope Trevor got the memo.
DC picked up some decent/productive minutes today, we'll need his size and 5 fouls from the post.
Cuse should be checking into the TOP 20 next week.
There were rumblings that this kid could add some value after summer ball (think Terrence Roberts said look out for Lydon after playing ball with him). His stroke is absurd, McNamara-esque, except in a 6'8" frame. There really isn't anything he has done poorly: block shots, rebound, take charges, pass from the high post, sinks FTs with ease...even his haircut is something out of Hoosiers.
Most importantly when he's on the floor he makes Cooney the 4th best shooting option. Hope Trevor got the memo.
DC picked up some decent/productive minutes today, we'll need his size and 5 fouls from the post.
Cuse should be checking into the TOP 20 next week.
NCAA Sanctions on Syracuse reduced on appeal.
Syracuse loses 2 scholarships for the next four years instead of 3. Decent return on the appeal process.
An Orange team that can really shoot the 3? Don't think I've ever seen one, honestly.
There have been individual shooters of course, but haven't seen it go more than two or three deep.
This should be interesting, and hopefully fun to watch.
Love the idea to have on-going non-conference match-ups with Connecticut, Georgetown and St. John's.
Syracuse loses 2 scholarships for the next four years instead of 3. Decent return on the appeal process.
An Orange team that can really shoot the 3? Don't think I've ever seen one, honestly.
There have been individual shooters of course, but haven't seen it go more than two or three deep.
This should be interesting, and hopefully fun to watch.
Love the idea to have on-going non-conference match-ups with Connecticut, Georgetown and St. John's.