Smart was 6'2" w/o shoe's at the combine, Holiday was 6'3.25"I see different things for Jrue but I'm pretty sure he's taller.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jrue-holiday-height
Smart was 6'2" w/o shoe's at the combine, Holiday was 6'3.25"I see different things for Jrue but I'm pretty sure he's taller.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jrue-holiday-height
2018. Rondo started 63 games at the point, Jrue started 81 games at off guard. Worked out pretty well, that was the only NO team in 15 years to win a playoff series (and both Rondo and Holiday started every playoff game that year). He's not a pure point in the simplest sense of the word, but there are only a handful of those guys and it's hardly a title requirement, so whatever.When was Jrue better off the ball? He's been a PG forever.
And they definitely don't have more depth of smalls than wings
Jrue, White, Pritchard, Banton vs Tatum, Brown, Hauser, Brissett, Svi isn't really close.
I don't get it.
Jrue, White and Pritchard are all currently going to get plenty of minutes.
You want to bump Hauser/Brissett down a peg to get Banton more minutes?
I could've sworn Smart at one point was listed at 6'4.Smart was 6'2" w/o shoe's at the combine, Holiday was 6'3.25"
Again, I’m not trying to be argumentative.When was Jrue better off the ball? He's been a PG forever.
And they definitely don't have more depth of smalls than wings
Jrue, White, Pritchard, Banton vs Tatum, Brown, Hauser, Brissett, Svi isn't really close.
I don't get it.
Jrue, White and Pritchard are all currently going to get plenty of minutes.
You want to bump Hauser/Brissett down a peg to get Banton more minutes?
That is true but pre-trade we were counting on 3 bigs with 2 playing at a time. After the trade we are counting on 2 bigs with one playing at a time.Jrue was perhaps my favorite non-Celtic, and yet I don’t like this trade - unless perhaps Brogdon is too injured to contribute this year.
I mean, I felt worried about the front court before giving up Rob. The Cs were planning on banking on three fragile bigs. With this move they are going to be forced to rely on two. And that doesn’t even get into the picks, which seemed far more generous than necessary.
Portland’s Cronin comes off as a genius; he’s truly turned lemons into friggin gold. On paper, the “Dame fiasco” has ended historically good for a team that everyone assumed was between a rock and a hard place. And that’s without even getting into what he gets in return for Brogdon.
Out of necessity, yes. He's now our 3rd guard, which means like 15-20 minutes a game for him, if you assume White will continue to miss almost no time and Jrue minimal time.Feel a little bad for Pritchard to miss the last train out to Portland. But he should get more minutes in Boston now, right?
Shoes is part of it, guys are usually listed as their with shoes height so if Smart wore thicker insoles then they round up... Voila 6'4"I could've sworn Smart at one point was listed at 6'4.
I trust the current height measurements on basketball-reference, at least for veterans. They re-measured all players before the 2020 season (I believe with an emphasis on accuracy), so I'm ok with the listed heights for guys that were around back then (maybe Tatum has grown an inch since then).
Our top 3 guards are Jrue, White and Jaylen. One of the first two will be on the floor nearly all of the time when we are at fully strength. One of the first two I would expect to be coming off the bench as part of that primary 3-guard rotation. There will be time for Pritchard as we won't be at 100% all the time or maybe not even that often...but at full strength he's never getting those 15-20 consistent minutes.Out of necessity, yes. He's now our 3rd guard, which means like 15-20 minutes a game for him, if you assume White will continue to miss almost no time and Jrue minimal time.
I would be surprised if they don’t start White and Jrue and bring Al off the bench.Our top 3 guards are Jrue, White and Jaylen. One of the first two will be on the floor nearly all of the time when we are at fully strength. One of the first two I would expect to be coming off the bench as part of that primary 3-guard rotation. There will be time for Pritchard as we won't be at 100% all the time or maybe not even that often...but at full strength he's never getting those 15-20 consistent minutes.
Yeah, if you keep Jaylen in the guard rotation then who's in the wing rotation - it's Tatum, Hauser and ??!I would be surprised if they don’t start White and Jrue and bring Al off the bench.
And Jaylen. This whole guard vs wing thing isn’t a reality. There will be plenty of minutes where Jaylen is a “shooting guard” and plenty of minutes where he is a “small forward”.Yeah, if you keep Jaylen in the guard rotation then who's in the wing rotation - it's Tatum, Hauser and ??!
They’ll also likely look for a more substantial big at the trade deadline.I assume they start Jrue, White, Brown and Tatum when available and usually Porzingis, but maybe rotate a bit more there. Al is 6th. They'll use the season to see who 7 and 8 are, with Hauser, Svi and Prichard having inside track
I agree with most of this, but not the bolded. Regardless of what he did early in his career, Kornet is not a 3 point threat. Ben Simmons has as many made 3 pointers in his last two seasons as Kornet (3).A lot of semantics with positional definitions.
Brad uses Ballhandler, Wing, and Big.
Just because someone is labeled a "ballhandler" doesn't mean they can't play Wing and vice versa.
In fact, every one of their Top6 (JT, JB, JH, KP, DW, and AH) can play multiple roles. Positional versatility is an attractive quality that Brad has said he values.
I expect Al to be the first man off the bench when all are healthy with Hauser, PP, Svi up next. Luke will see lots of regular season minutes since they will load manage KP/Al.
Just note every one of those 10 players can hit a 3 (incl Kornet). This team will be going 5-wide quite a bit
While Brad Stevens worked to repair it over the past few months, reintegrating a player after they were widely presumed to be traded presented a significant challenge. The Sixth Man of the Year spent the summer wanting a new start elsewhere but did not want to hold out at training camp, according to team and league sources who were granted anonymity so they could speak freely.
After the Celtics’ Game 7 elimination in the Eastern Conference finals back in May, Brogdon was one of the veterans who was publicly critical of the team’s approach and effort. Following exit meeting discussions, Brogdon was under the impression he was part of the team’s long-term plans, according to team sources. After a few weeks of rumors that Boston could trade one of its point guards for a forward, he was on the verge of being traded to the LA Clippers in the original framework of the Porziņģis deal.
The disconnect with Brogdon was exacerbated when Joe Mazzulla told reporters that White would be the starting point guard following Brown’s contract extension news conference on July 26. Brogdon, who has a strong relationship with White, anticipated the Smart trade would leave the door open for a competition to earn the starting point guard spot. But White was granted the role after becoming one of the most important players on the team last year.
According to team sources, Brogdon only had communication with Brad Stevens during the offseason, with Stevens flying to Atlanta to meet with Brogdon in early August. Stevens worked throughout the offseason to mend the relationship with Brogdon and made progress. The sixth man eventually was willing to rejoin the team, even if he still preferred a fresh start elsewhere. The now fully healthy Brogdon returned to work out in the Boston area ahead of training camp in late September, while the Celtics continued to engage in trade discussions surrounding Brogdon and Holiday, according to team and league sources.
Maybe as a rare change of pace, but not for any other reason.Would you ever play want to play a lineup that included all three of Jrue, White and Pritchard? If not, and it should be not, Jrue isn't a wing. He's going to be the starting PG.
Under that convention, Holliday is obviously a ballhandler.I dont know the naming convention you are using. I thought Stevens thing was ballhandlers, wings, bigs.
For whatever it is worth, basketball-reference has them both at 6'3".Holiday is 6'5"; Smart is 6'3". but agree that Smart guarded bigs better; though with drop coverage that won't be as big of an issue.
I expect White and Holliday to both start and both handle the ball to some extent. But if I had to call one of them a combo guard, it would be White.I‘m not trying to be argumentative. Given the roster construction, I expect him to play more off-ball with a smaller, primary ballhandler on the floor. I think that White is going to be the starting PG with Pritchard backing him up, even if you consider that distinction academic.
I would imagine White will get those assignments.How is Jrue against smaller/quicker guards? Always felt like a bit of the weak spot for the Celtics… does he help there at all?
Denver didn’t. Really they only needed 4 guys.Timelord too?
F this shit
Got rid of their 2 best defensive and energy players in the offseason
Hate this off-season so much
You need more than 7 players
Hope you're right, but don't see him even in the TOP13 at the momentSneaky that we kept Walsh. He's not going to be a star, but I think he could be a regular season depth contributor.
Pritchard is not a good ball handler. He’s an undersized SG. So they needed a ball handler capable of guarding bigger players.Again, I’m not trying to be argumentative.
I think that Jrue was better off ball in New Orleans.
I think that they have more depth at the ballhandler position (White and Pritchard) than they do at the wing if they plan to play with one small and one big.
I don’t disagree. I just think he’ll be paired as a small with wings who have playmaking ability.Pritchard is not a good ball handler. He’s an undersized SG. So they needed a ball handler capable of guarding bigger players.
Again, this makes no sense.Again, I’m not trying to be argumentative.
I think that Jrue was better off ball in New Orleans.
I think that they have more depth at the ballhandler position (White and Pritchard) than they do at the wing if they plan to play with one small and one big.
Even better, just play him with another small with playmaking ability, like White or Jrue.I don’t disagree. I just think he’ll be paired as a small with wings who have playmaking ability.
I think Jrue can handle them fine. It was definitely a weak spot for Smart in recent years.I would imagine White will get those assignments.
Porzingis is not much of a rebounder. Neither is Al. Tatum might be the only plus rebounder on the team.Also, I think Oshae Brissett may get significant minutes for this team for his defense and - hopefully - rebounding. One thing the Cs are lacking in is rebounding.
And also hired their top assistant.Jrue was until today my favorite active player who had never been a Celtic. I liked Rob and loved Marcus. But this is a significantly better team than in June.
Also I read through the thread but not sure it was mentioned: How often does the NBA team with (now) the best odds to win the finals get an all-star from the (now) second best team in the odds who is a division rival, and NOT via free agency?
Has that happened zero times ever?
Love having a guy on the Celtics who knows our biggest opponents in the East pretty much inside out.
I’ve had a soft spot for Jrue ever since Philly sent him as their lotto rep and he had to awkwardly stand up there next to the Wizards rep to find out if his team was about to win the sweepstakes to draft the clear #1 pick who happened to play the same position as him.Jrue was until today my favorite active player who had never been a Celtic. I liked Rob and loved Marcus. But this is a significantly better team than in June.
Also I read through the thread but not sure it was mentioned: How often does the NBA team with (now) the best odds to win the finals get an all-star from the (now) second best team in the odds who is a division rival, and NOT via free agency?
Has that happened zero times ever?
Love having a guy on the Celtics who knows our biggest opponents in the East pretty much inside out.
The Kyrie trade was kind of like that. Not to win the Finals, but maybe the ECF.Jrue was until today my favorite active player who had never been a Celtic. I liked Rob and loved Marcus. But this is a significantly better team than in June.
Also I read through the thread but not sure it was mentioned: How often does the NBA team with (now) the best odds to win the finals get an all-star from the (now) second best team in the odds who is a division rival, and NOT via free agency?
Has that happened zero times ever?
One thing worth noting, while minor, the Celtics can't sign any player who is bought out that was making more than the MLE as they are over the 2nd apron.There’s enough talent at the back half of this roster, and in the trade deadline buyout market, to fill any playoff needs in spots 7-9 in the rotation. The Celtics have the best 1-6 in the league.
Ownership isn’t afraid to put all their chips in the middle to get another banner. Four $30+ million players on their roster, with two heading to $50 million soon.
I just saw that in another thread. No Kelly O reunion this season.One thing worth noting, while minor, the Celtics can't sign any player who is bought out that was making more than the MLE as they are over the 2nd apron.
Other than Tatum, TL was really the only plus rebounder (for his position or otherwise) in the last couple of years. It's kind of shocking that the Celtics led the league in DRB% last year, considering. All signs point to Tatum leading the Celtics in rebounds for the 6th year in a row.Porzingis is not much of a rebounder. Neither is Al. Tatum might be the only plus rebounder on the team.
How is this possible? They were the number one team in the NBA in defensive rebounding last year. They are full of good rebounders.Other than Tatum, TL was really the only plus rebounder (for his position or otherwise) in the last couple of years. It's kind of shocking that the Celtics led the league in DRB% last year, considering. All signs point to Tatum leading the Celtics in rebounds for the 6th year in a row.
The only forwards who had more total rebounds than Tatum last year were Mobley, Portis, Giannis and Randle. Just like his passing and defense, Tatum is really pretty great at rebounding when he tries (and more than solid when he doesn't).
D.White is a really good rebounding guardOther than Tatum, TL was really the only plus rebounder (for his position or otherwise) in the last couple of years. It's kind of shocking that the Celtics led the league in DRB% last year, considering. All signs point to Tatum leading the Celtics in rebounds for the 6th year in a row.
The only forwards who had more total rebounds than Tatum last year were Mobley, Portis, Giannis and Randle. Just like his passing and defense, Tatum is really pretty great at rebounding when he tries (and more than solid when he doesn't).
How is this possible? They were the number one team in the NBA in defensive rebounding last year. They are full of good rebounders.
They were solid across the board, but TL and Tatum were the only ones near the top at their respective positions. White averaged 3.6 rebounds per game which isn't bad for his size, but there were 37 guards who averaged more. Jaylen also averaged a career high 6.9 per game.D.White is a really good rebounding guard