It’s not like there aren’t teams with too many draft picks that will be open to selling their second rounders because you can’t develop ten players at once.Pretty sure Dom B will be long gone, too.
Old friend Ryan Gomes was his coach. He's 19 & got much better throughout the year. Definitely an interesting prospect.
I'm hoping that PBS finds someone who's willing to deal one in the top half. There are a decent number of long-term project guys with the right bodies. Probably not a hell of a lot of difference between the guys available at 40 and 25 imo.It’s not like there aren’t teams with too many draft picks that will be open to selling their second rounders because you can’t develop ten players at once.
Well, let’s hope that Tankathon’s right, then. Walker is really raw. In a way I do sort of hope that he goes undrafted and Boston inks him to a two way to play in Portland for the foreseeable future to see if they can graft some skills onto that frame and athleticism.Tankathon has Barlow going to the C's at 53. Nembhard, Roddy and Watson are all near the top of the 2nd. Walker isn't even in their mock. Who knows.
I like the look of this guy if we're thinking draft and stash: https://www.tankathon.com/players/matteo-spagnolo
I can't think of really good comps for Murray. Like a shorter-armed Otto Porter?I’ll agree that Murray’s not likely to reach his 1% projection. But even the ten percent one’s a lot better than Bey’s 1% projection. Bey could be a James Posey type. Murray’s upside is a lot more along the lines of above average starter.
I'm a huge Wake fan and I love Alondes, but man at times he can be an absolute turnover machine. Some of that was because he was learning to be a playmaker this year and wake wasn't exactly loaded so he sometimes had to force things.I came to ask about a couple of guys but saw there was already a discussion on Barlow so I'll ask about the other. What do you guys think about Alondes Williams as a potential young PG?
In fairness one of those guys drafted higher than #53 is unlikely to ever see an NBA court (to this day I don’t understand the Madar pick). In general I agree, though. They should be looking at one of the physical specimens in severe need of skills and letting them brew in Maine for a couple of years. The overseas market is so bad this year that they should just sell the pick for cash rather than wasting it on a draft & wave goodbye.unless we trade up, I'd be a little surprised if we draft anyone who makes the roster at 53.
We have 14 guys under contract right now.
10 of those guys are basically locks.
My early guess is they pick up Hauser, and that the other 3 (Morgan, Fitts, Stauskas) are fillers.
They have the draft rights of 2 players drafted higher than 53 the last 2 years (Madar, Begarin)
They also likely add at least 2 vets via MLE or use of the TPE, maybe both.
#53 is either going to Maine or staying overseas would be my guess.
Oh I doubt either comes over, and that was kind of the point, that's the type of player you get in the 40s, in the 50s it's even less likely you hit on a roster player for a playoff team, it's 2 way or Euro.In fairness one of those guys drafted higher than #53 is unlikely to ever see an NBA court (to this day I don’t understand the Madar pick). In general I agree, though. They should be looking at one of the physical specimens in severe need of skills and letting them brew in Maine for a couple of years. The overseas market is so bad this year that they should just sell the pick for cash rather than wasting it on a draft & wave goodbye.
Are there any Avery Bradley McDonald’s All-Americans who have pedigree but might slip to #53?In fairness one of those guys drafted higher than #53 is unlikely to ever see an NBA court (to this day I don’t understand the Madar pick). In general I agree, though. They should be looking at one of the physical specimens in severe need of skills and letting them brew in Maine for a couple of years. The overseas market is so bad this year that they should just sell the pick for cash rather than wasting it on a draft & wave goodbye.
Here's last year's HS rankings.Are there any Avery Bradley McDonald’s All-Americans who have pedigree but might slip to #53?
Michael Foster was 22nd on that list, he's got a decent chance to be there, JD Davison (13th) could be there,Here's last year's HS rankings.
https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool
Peyton Watson may be fun for someone, but doubt he slides that far.
The first guy who came to mind was Emoni Bates but I don’t know if he’s draft eligible this year or next.Are there any Avery Bradley McDonald’s All-Americans who have pedigree but might slip to #53?
Bates is too young to be draft eligible.The first guy who came to mind was Emoni Bates but I don’t know if he’s draft eligible this year or next.
January '04 birth date, so he's 2023 draft eligible. I expect him to hide until then. Maybe hit the Overtime League? He's that classic Stopped growing at age 16 player. Like OJ Mayo and Lance Stephenson before him. Got better Under 16 results than they did getting close to 6'8", but didn't get very long and stopped progressing athletically. If he bears down and focuses on becoming a useful NBA player he has the tools to be one, though.The first guy who came to mind was Emoni Bates but I don’t know if he’s draft eligible this year or next.
I just assumed that since Butler weighed in at 180, and he looks fat next to Holmgren, that Holmgren's real weight might be closer to 165.So what are we hearing so far? Here are some rumors/insights from prominent handicappers with draft connections or following people who have draft connections.
* Chet refusing to take the league medicals raising red flags on his health with some prominent draft players questioning if he can pass a Marfan Syndrome test.
I hope all three of those are true, I'd like Houston to end up with Smith.* Jabari Smith met with Orlando and it supposedly went poorly.
* Magic suspiciously tight lipped on the Paolo workout raising suspicions that he may be their guy.
* OKC loves Ivey at 2 more than Smith if latter Is available.
The injuries have been mounting up for AJ. He seems destined to be a Spur.* More than one team has medically red-flagged Duke’s AJ Griffin.
Great stuff---thanks!So what are we hearing so far? Here are some rumors/insights from prominent handicappers with draft connections or following people who have draft connections.
* Chet refusing to take the league medicals raising red flags on his health with some prominent draft players questioning if he can pass a Marfan Syndrome test.
* Jabari Smith met with Orlando and it supposedly went poorly.
* Magic suspiciously tight lipped on the Paolo workout raising suspicions that he may be their guy.
* Sacramento reportedly loves Keegan Murray at 4.
* More than one team has medically red-flagged Duke’s AJ Griffin.
* Shaedon Sharpe giving off pre-ACL Jabari Parker vibes of a guy who wants to pay his posse with his offensive numbers more than he wants to play defense.
* OKC loves Ivey at 2 more than Smith if latter Is available.
* Blake Wesley moving up.
* Jaden Hardy and Mark Williams slipping.
Chet isn’t quite at the Dragan Bender level of my bust certainty…….but he’s in the same area code. I dislike him quite a bit at the next level.I have zero idea what to make of Holmgren. I don't worry about the body size so much as whether the fit is realistic with most rosters (e.g. you need another big) and the talent and flexibility in how he plays is pretty enticing. I couldn't blame anyone for taking him or passing on him; OKC, with Poku already there, seems like a really bad fit though.
Yeesh…not great for the careers of 60% of that group if you’re rightIt's fine to be out on CHET (although I think that's incorrect), but not drafting him if he's the best player on your board because you have Poku would be insanely bad GMing.
Let's analogize something real quick & somewhat randomly that no one will understand where I'm coming from lol
Banchero = Baker
Jabari = Darnold
CHET = Allen
Ivey = Lamar
Murray = Rosen
I don't actually think they're going to bust at that level. They're mostly pre-draft comps.Yeesh…not great for the careers of 60% of that group if you’re right
Yes, he's light (& Josh Allen was inaccurate af) but his length, skill & bbIQ makes it impossible he will fail imo (barring health issues).I don’t understand the Josh Allen comp at all. One thing Allen had was elite physicals…..big, strong and physically a beast. These are the areas where Chet is weakest and nowhere yet near NBA level which he may not ever be more than passable.
I see his upside similar to a Shawn Bradley complete with similar body type. He could be a rotation guy but one who will need to be matched with a physical presence frontcourt running mate which is why I won’t go full Bender on him. I wouldn’t take complete bust off the table though.
Bradley was super skilled, agile and coordinated. The game was so different that it’s hard to compare eras but at the time this kid was the 2nd pick in a draft ahead of highly-regarded Penny and Mashburb despite not having played in two years due to being on his Mormon mission.Bradley had nothing in regards to passing ability, agility, speed, verticals as to Chet but maybe my memory is failing me.
Maybe not but the next time someone with that rail thin body type makes it big in the NBA will be the first. To me it’s a huge warning sign - especially today when there’s no excuse for high profile HS and college prospects to not understand the importance of picking up a few weights every now and then. You have to wonder what is going on. Remember when people were salivating over Bol Bol’s skills? The skills don’t mean anything if you can’t compete physically with your peers. If I were a GM, there’s no way I’d gamble on someone like Chet. Although I do admit this is really tough draft year to be taking hard stances like that.Bradley had nothing in regards to passing ability, agility, speed, verticals as to Chet but maybe my memory is failing me.
Tayshaun Prince, Porzingis, Ingram are all very thin, no?Maybe not but the next time someone with that rail thin body type makes it big in the NBA will be the first. To me it’s a huge warning sign - especially today when there’s no excuse for high profile HS and college athletes to not understand the importance of picking up a few weights every now and then. You have to wonder what is going on. Remember when people were salivating over Bol Bol’s skills? The skills don’t mean anything if you can’t compete physically with your peers. If I were a GM, there’s no way I’d gamble on someone like Chet. Although I do admit this is really tough draft year to be making hard stances like that.
Ingram’s not bad. Porzingis is a horrible example considering his injury woes. Is Prince what you’re hoping for out of a top 3 pick? Okay, maybe you can find a few pretty good players over the last few decades, but the flameout percentage is still pretty damn high. I stand by my statement that I’’m not taking that risk if there are athletic bodied options available.Tayshaun Prince, Porzingis, Ingram are all very thin, no?
Perhaps is just his team trying to get this out there during draft season, but there’s been press on his training routine lately- basically to the effect of how much he’s strength training at P3 and how he’s eating 8000 calories a day and whatnot. I never really got the sense that it was from lack of trying more so than extremely difficult given his physique. I agree with your earlier statement (and said basically the same thing about Poku before) that we’ve never really seen guys with that frame- those narrow hips and slight shoulders- work in the NBA.Maybe not but the next time someone with that rail thin body type makes it big in the NBA will be the first. To me it’s a huge warning sign - especially today when there’s no excuse for high profile HS and college prospects to not understand the importance of picking up a few weights every now and then. You have to wonder what is going on. Remember when people were salivating over Bol Bol’s skills? The skills don’t mean anything if you can’t compete physically with your peers. If I were a GM, there’s no way I’d gamble on someone like Chet. Although I do admit this is really tough draft year to be taking hard stances like that.
Caught the Harper kid a few times because my brother works at Rutgers. Love all of the makeup stuff, as you say. Wouldn't mind a flier on him for that reason alone. He's a big game shotmaker, plus the IQ and leadership stuff. That said, I think that there's an athleticism gulf between him and Grant that's much bigger than what you think.At 53, I'm looking at Rutgers G/F Ron Harper Jr. To me, he's a more athletic version of Grant Williams. Shot almost 40% from 3, switchable onto guards and forwards, very high basketball IQ, tough player, and a leader.
You're saying Grant is the better athlete?Caught the Harper kid a few times because my brother works at Rutgers. Love all of the makeup stuff, as you say. Wouldn't mind a flier on him for that reason alone. He's a big game shotmaker, plus the IQ and leadership stuff. That said, I think that there's an athleticism gulf between him and Grant that's much bigger than what you think.
Ha, yes. Grant is insanely strong and fast enough to stay in front of 2-5, aside from his fat year where he was unplayable.You're saying Grant is the better athlete?
I don’t buy the physique excuse. Yeah, I get the fact that he has different mechanics than I do. But he’s not the first 7-footer to try to put on weight, and this kid has NOTHING. If you put muscles under stress, they’ll grow. It’s biology. If you’re a 5 star prospect and it’s important to you, you’ll find a way.Perhaps is just his team trying to get this out there during draft season, but there’s been press on his training routine lately- basically to the effect of how much he’s strength training at P3 and how he’s eating 8000 calories a day and whatnot. I never really got the sense that it was from lack of trying more so than extremely difficult given his physique. I agree with your earlier statement (and said basically the same thing about Poku before) that we’ve never really seen guys with that frame- those narrow hips and slight shoulders- work in the NBA.
It’s hard for me to see him filling out to point where he’s strong enough to be a great two way player, especially in the playoffs when the physicality intensifies. I think it’s worth a gamble given the upside, but this isn’t Victor Wembanyama, where it’s just a skinny, tall-ass kid waiting to grow into a decent frame an inevitability dominate. Much riskier to invest in.
Pencil me in for 2.75 but I can be convinced to go up to 3.15 on a good sales pitch.The Chet discourse is going to be very entertaining once he starts playing in the league. He has a lot of different outcomes, to put them in categories:
1. Complete bust, can't do anything, out of the league in a few years.
2. Not a complete bust, can do a few limited things but injuries/ineffectiveness prevent him from being particularly good. Plays parts of 7 seasons.
3. Competent role player that flashes potential, but has solid career and plays for some good teams. Not a bust but a little disappointing given where he was drafted.
4. Very good NBA player, borderline all-star who makes a lot of money and can be the 3rd best player on a good team.
5. All-Star, one of the best frontcourt players in the NBA.
6. Perennial MVP candidate; changes the way certain players play; a million future prospects are optimistically compared to him.
I think anyone of those outcomes is on the table (I think he is too good of a shooter and shot blocker to be a complete bust, personally). I've kind of tied my boat to him being pretty good because I think some people are being way too dismissive of him as a propsect
A good part of the Chet skepticism is his body holding up though. I loved Porzingis entering the draft as he played his size/length and despite his frame didn’t get pushed around by grown men overseas. We’ve seen Chet get muscled by kids in the WCC due to his poor lower body base.Porzingis is a horrible example considering his injury woes.