Sale-Eovaldi-Pivetta-Wacha-HillPretty good chance that between all the depth guys they hit on someone that's better than the guys getting 100m+ contracts.
Now do the bullpen.
Sawamura could easily be moved if they want to add more than one guy. 3.06 era but a 5.00 fip so you'd expect a fair amount of regression in 2022Sale-Eovaldi-Pivetta-Wacha-Hill
Houck-Whitlock
Barnes-Taylor-Brasier-Hernandez-Sawa
Maybe one spot left, for guys like Davis, Valdez, Bazardo, Winckowski, etc to fight over?
Am sure they will bring in a few a more arms as someone will get hurt, but perhaps nothing high profile. Although adding a Chafin or Tepera would be nice.
Rich Hill's FIRST game with the Red Sox: Sept. 14, 2010 at the Mariners Jed Lowrie hit 2 HR in this game, David Ortiz hit one Here's who appeared in that game
It's the lowest with 50+ IP.Rich Hill has a 1.34 career ERA as a Red Sox, which has to be among the lowest for those who have thrown 50+ innings….anyone know?
Another low-risk low-upside guy that can fill in the innings gap that we have. Pencil him in for slightly below average 120IP until Paxton is ready. I think it’s fine.He was mediocre last year, and his ERA outperformed his expected stats, but he still acrued value simply by virtue of making all of his starts. K% is down along with velocity, so I wouldn't expect much out of this contract, but at least he reminded me of the existence
Wacha, Paxton and now Hill, so for some reason it seems Chaim is stuck in the 2015-2017 era. Really hoping he’s got some sort of fountain of youth hidden in the green monster, because these seem like some desperate lottery ticket signings. The Sox are being uber frugal, and it’s not like the market is going to magically depreciate.Wait, what year is this again?
All 3 of those guys were good or better pitchers more recently than 2017, yeah they're gambles but I wouldn't exactly call any of them a "desperate lottery ticket".Wacha, Paxton and now Hill, so for some reason it seems Chaim is stuck in the 2015-2017 era. Really hoping he’s got some sort of fountain of youth hidden in the green monster, because these seem like some desperate lottery ticket signings. The Sox are being uber frugal, and it’s not like the market is going to magically depreciate.
I’m talking long term…not this off-season. The market isn’t lowering. $30 mil/year is the new $20mil. At some point they are going to need to open the checkbook. Maybe they don’t value any of this year’s crop to make a splash, but at some point they shouldn’t be afraid to spend like the top 4-5 richest club that they are.All 3 of those guys were good or better pitchers more recently than 2017, yeah they're gambles but I wouldn't exactly call any of them a "desperate lottery ticket".
And yeah the market likely will depreciate, we see it every year in any sport, the biggest overpays usually come early and there will be guys left without contracts later on who have to take less than they hoped for.
I know it's the deadball but that Young stat is incredible.It's the lowest with 50+ IP.
1. Rich Hill (1.34 ERA / 60.2 IP)
2. Fritz Coumbe (1.44 ERA / 62.1 IP)
3. Garrett Whitlock (1.96 ERA / 73.1 IP)
4. Smoky Joe Wood (1.99 ERA / 1,416 IP)
5. Cy Young (2.00 ERA / 2,728.1 IP)
In 2020 they had the 4th highest payroll, in 2021 they had the 6th highest payroll. They're likely going to be around the same spot in 2022.I’m talking long term…not this off-season. The market isn’t lowering. $30 mil/year is the new $20mil. At some point they are going to need to open the checkbook. Maybe they don’t value any of this year’s crop to make a splash, but at some point they shouldn’t be afraid to spend like the top 4-5 richest club that they are.
I always thought that given the salary structure of MLB - squeezing out non-star veterans - that teams should be able find "surplus value" in the veteran "good but not great" players. Sort of like what George Allen did with the Washington football team many moons ago.All 3 of those guys were good or better pitchers more recently than 2017, yeah they're gambles but I wouldn't exactly call any of them a "desperate lottery ticket".
And yeah the market likely will depreciate, we see it every year in any sport, the biggest overpays usually come early and there will be guys left without contracts later on who have to take less than they hoped for.
Not a bad flier. If all the incentives are met, it looks like 8 million. Rich Hill reaching 160 innings would almost certainly be worth more than the 8 million they pay him.1 year, $5 million for Rich. View: https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1466259336657838087?s=21
I laughedI love Dick Mountain. I love this. I wish we did this like 3 years ago but still.
I would say we already found this out in 2013. We have a solid base, just have to supplement it with some filler talent. Getting a full season from Chris Sale will be huge. He was a little shaky in his return last year but was still a pretty great pitcher. I am excited to see what he provides us.I always thought that given the salary structure of MLB - squeezing out non-star veterans - that teams should be able find "surplus value" in the veteran "good but not great" players. Sort of like what George Allen did with the Washington football team many moons ago.
Maybe we're about to find this out.
Alternately, if Dick Mountain were to get picked up by the White Sox, he'd be one of only five players to play for both current NY teams and both current Chicago teams, a list that includes an old friend at the top of any and all lists, David Aardsma.As you all know Rich Hill has been around the block. A lot.
He's right behind Rickey Henderson in a rare club. Rickey played for both New York teams, three of the four teams that once called New York home and four out of the five teams that are based in California. No one has come close to this. Except for old friend, Dick Mountain. He's played for both New York teams, three of the four teams that once called New York home and three out of the five teams that are based in California.
I don't want Mountain's career to end in a Fenway washout, but I wouldn't be totally sad if he hooked up with the Padres and Giants before he retired.
That's something Rickey Henderson never did!Alternately, if Dick Mountain were to get picked up by the White Sox, he'd be one of only five players to play for both current NY teams and both current Chicago teams, a list that includes an old friend at the top of any and all lists, David Aardsma.
Is there a back story to "Dick Mountain"? Super-Curious.As you all know Rich Hill has been around the block. A lot.
He's right behind Rickey Henderson in a rare club. Rickey played for both New York teams, three of the four teams that once called New York home and four out of the five teams that are based in California. No one has come close to this. Except for old friend, Dick Mountain. He's played for both New York teams, three of the four teams that once called New York home and three out of the five teams that are based in California.
I don't want Mountain's career to end in a Fenway washout, but I wouldn't be totally sad if he hooked up with the Padres and Giants before he retired.
Rich is to Dick as Hill is to MountainIs there a back story to "Dick Mountain"? Super-Curious.