View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1457402037545566208When is JD’s decision due?
*Edit: never mind. 5 pm tonight
Wow.JD stays per Heyman: View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1457402037545566208
Well, there’s a good chance a work stoppage starts Dec 1, so maybe the idea of steady employment was the key?Well, color me surprised. A one year deal to JD doesn’t seem like the worst thing in the world and may help the team avoid a long term deal with someone else that they’d regret.
I think the deals so far suggest an uncertain market, teams and players seem to be all over the place with their decisions.
Not me. I voted in the poll he would stay. He's made a TON of money already. He likes the team and the city. He'll have a better shot next year to make the last run at money. Happy he is staying.Who’s surprised that JD decided to stay a Red Sox and not test the waters?
Nobody gets paid in the event of a work stoppage. But the fear of an abbreviated offseason and the risk of having to settle for a deal with a crappy team may not have been appealing.Well, there’s a good chance a work stoppage starts Dec 1, so maybe the idea of steady employment was the key?
I would have thought so, but the fact that he opted in sort of suggests otherwise.I still am skeptical JD is on the team. That contract is a valuable trade chip.
Unless JD misread the market it’s not valuable at all.I still am skeptical JD is on the team. That contract is a valuable trade chip.
A 1 year deal for a great hitter is pretty valuable I’d think. He didn’t opt out because he probably wouldn’t get a raise off of 19 million for a multi year deal.Unless JD misread the market it’s not valuable at all.
Best case scenario is it’s pretty neutral and we can trade him in a helpful roster shuffle type of trade for 2 teams .
If we want to trade him, wouldn’t be surprised if we have to eat a few million or give up a mediocre prospect.
I don’t buy it, best case scenario it’s neutral or VERY mildly positive value.A 1 year deal for a great hitter is pretty valuable I’d think. He didn’t opt out because he probably wouldn’t get a raise off of 19 million for a multi year deal.
His trade value could change. The risks that are motivating players and teams now might dissipate with a new CBA. For now, I think it's fine for both JD and the Sox that he decided to stay.I would have thought so, but the fact that he opted in sort of suggests otherwise.
Will Boston give him a QO next year if there is a decent chance he might take it?I'm wondering how/whether the QO might come into play after next season, though. JD will be a year older, which will make the QO an even bigger albatross. Is there a sense that the QO will be eliminated in the next CBA? Is that what he's counting on?
If they don't want him back, I don't think they do. And if they do, I would expect him to accept it.Will Boston give him a QO next year if there is a decent chance he might take it?
I’m surprised JDM opted in but am unconvinced he won’t be traded.I think JD opting in forecloses the chance of Schwarber getting an offer from the Sox, but I could be wrong. Obviously the D was a fatal flaw and having both those guys on the roster has a significant downside there, as nice as it is having both bats. I suppose the Sox could have them both and work a rotation of guys getting starts, to keep the offensive depth, while trying to mitigate the cost to the D .... but, we'll see.
You extend E-Rod for one, and then you trade some combination of Dalbec, Duran and Arroyo for pitching.If you bring back, Schwarber, how do you fix the pitching? I just don’t see how they can manage the payroll with both should-be DH’s while addressing the real concerns on the defensive side.
How exactly has Duran proven himself to be "exciting," never mind a player worthy of being built around by a teamFor example, a trade built around Duran and Frankie Montas would make sense for both teams. Oakland gets an exciting young, CA-raised outfielder to build around,
I am not really upset, if the Sox are not competitive he can be traded. Gives everyone a full year to see if Bobby D can be a big bat and another year on the farm for Casas. In a year Sox can decide if they want to rotate Tristan, Bobby and Devers between the field and DH. As a DH JD gets a lot of money but he is still a productive bat. Question remains about fixing the pitching. With Sale getting almost 20 and Bogie probably getting a huge raise in a year we really should not spend almost 20 mil on a DH. Just thinking here but do we trade Bogie for a good pitcher with a couple years of control and go in on one og the big FA shortstops or do we ride with Bogie for a year as is let him hit the market and fill with a stop gap for a couple of years hoping Mayer is everything they believe he is. Chaim has a few big decisions to make.Well, color me surprised. A one year deal to JD doesn’t seem like the worst thing in the world and may help the team avoid a long term deal with someone else that they’d regret.
I think the deals so far suggest an uncertain market, teams and players seem to be all over the place with their decisions.
They have a lot of cheap players! Pivetta, Whitlock and Houck — which could be three-fifths of the rotation — make peanuts and the outfield makes about $16 million. Arroyo makes nothing. Devers will probably sign an extension at some point but his 2022 projected AAV is still only $11m. Vazquez is not a great value at $7 but he’s hardly expensive.I agree with bringing back E-Rod, but can the team afford to bring back E-Rod and Schwarber, with JD opting in, and then flip cheap young players like Duran and Dalbec? That would represent a pretty big bump in payroll. They need to have more productive and cheap players, not less.
Looks to me like yes. There's ~$60m coming off (Price, Eovaldi, JDM, Vazquez) after 2022. We don't quite know what the new CBT thresholds are going to be, but I would guess they are in the ballpark of where they are now. The team can go over for a year without incurring severe penalties, and easily dip back under the following year.They are at ~$175m estimated. Bringing back Schwarber and E-Rod is going to bring you to around $205m at least. A few relievers and a utility infielder and you are pushing $220. Is that doable?
I mean, I’m with you here. We should have moved him before the hype train crashed into the mountain. But he definitely still has value.How exactly has Duran proven himself to be "exciting," never mind a player worthy of being built around by a team
I believe Sox fans should hold ownership to the standard of strategically going over the luxury tax threshold, so yes.They are at ~$160m estimated. Bringing back Schwarber and E-Rod is going to bring you to around $190 at least. A few relievers and a utility infielder and you are over $200m. Is that doable? Is that team good enough?
Baserunning speed but I don’t see any defensive skill at all.How exactly has Duran proven himself to be "exciting," never mind a player worthy of being built around by a team
Yeah, the idea of signing Schwarber so that he can bust his butt to learn how to play a new position for one year seems far-fetched. Why would he want to sign that deal? He'll get a 5 year deal for a healthy chunk of money to DH/occasionally play the OF somewhere and be happy.I think it is more likely than not that Schwarber gets a good offer from a team where he won't have to play 1B for a year. Does he want to play a full season at 1B?
I'm curious what Schwarber will do now that he has a choice.
The pitching that needs to be fixed is the bullpen, which they were always going to be unlikely to fix by throwing big money at many big names.If you bring back, Schwarber, how do you fix the pitching? I just don’t see how they can manage the payroll with both should-be DH’s while addressing the real concerns on the defensive side.
Well, to be totally unsentimental .... After 2022, you could/might shed JD, ERod (if accepts QO, which I actually think he will), Vazquez, Eovaldi, Sale, and, yes Xander (he's one of my favorite Red Sox ever - well, at least in my top 10 ever, but just spit-balling) ....that's a lot of salary off the books ....This might let you sign Schwarber, with an eye on a youth movement accelerated in 2023 (Schwarb's a good veteran tutor), and plenty of money to sign FAs (re-signing a guy or two above, and outside the organization), or make trades, or just allow a step back in the W-L column as you begin building the Casas/Yorke era core., with Mayer not too far behind ...They are at ~$160m estimated. Bringing back Schwarber and E-Rod is going to bring you to around $190 at least. A few relievers and a utility infielder and you are over $200m. Is that doable? Is that team good enough esp knowing all the long term contracts that need to get done in the next few years?