I can tell you in the last 3-4 years I haven’t even scouted a white corner. I didn’t look at Gunner.Ignoring Edelman's Swiss army knife play - is that actually true???
Seems like in the comments there are others.I can tell you in the last 3-4 years I haven’t even scouted a white corner. I didn’t look at Gunner.
He’ll be out somewhere balling, I’m guessing.Awesome. It sucks he’s not going to out there balling next weekend.
Yeah, not sure if Jason Sehorn was ever as good as his reputation. Still remember his interception when he was lying on his back. Overrated corner, but his feast or famine style was fun.I can tell you in the last 3-4 years I haven’t even scouted a white corner. I didn’t look at Gunner.
Dustin Fox who played 12 games for Buffalo/Philly in 2006-08 was the last one (besides Edelman) as far as I'm awareJason Seehorn was the last one IIRC.
Apparently Inside the NFL is no longer on Showtime, but on Paramount+, a subscription channel.Was this mentioned anywhere? Was announced in the spring but Edelman is joining Showtime’s Inside the NFL: https://www.patriots.com/news/julian-edelman-joins-inside-the-nfl-cast-teams-up-with-viacomcbs
Technically, Showtime is also a subscription channel and is more expensive than P+.Apparently Inside the NFL is no longer on Showtime, but on Paramount+, a subscription channel.
Yes, but the Showtime subscription is a sunk cost (for those of us who subscribe). Now it's another $5 to watch Inside the NFL, which is hardly worth it.Technically, Showtime is also a subscription channel and is more expensive than P+.
Champions League is the big one. Some World Cup qualifiers. A documentary mini-series called "Texas 6" about 6-man football that's mostly enjoyable.Yes, but the Showtime subscription is a sunk cost (for those of us who subscribe). Now it's another $5 to watch Inside the NFL, which is hardly worth it.
Are there other sports things on Paramount that make that $5 worthwhile?
With the new rules allowing non-K/QB to take numbers 1-20, the only numbers available for Patterson were 11 ... and 12.Fuck giving out #11. I don't expect it to be retired but give it some time, jeez. I apologize for the reactionary nature of my non-sense here.
Kickers should just get a letter "K."With the new rules allowing non-K/QB to take numbers 1-20, the only numbers available for Patterson were 11 ... and 12.
I love this because it's so dumb it's awesome.Kickers should just get a letter "K."
If the Pats were going to retire #11 it would be for Drew Bledsoe, not Julian Edelman.Fuck giving out #11. I don't expect it to be retired but give it some time, jeez. I apologize for the reactionary nature of my non-sense here.
Give him #12. I kid...kind of. Yes, he clearly was not as good as Brady on the field, but he seems more human, more relatable. If I was given a choice of who to hang out with or who to have on my flag football team, Jules every day of the week. He might not be the GOAT, but he is in spirit.With the new rules allowing non-K/QB to take numbers 1-20, the only numbers available for Patterson were 11 ... and 12.
Am I crazy for thinking Edelman was the better and more illustrious #11?If the Pats were going to retire #11 it would be for Drew Bledsoe, not Julian Edelman.
With 53-man rosters (and many more in preseason), plus position-based restrictions on uniform numbers, number retirements going forward are going to be limited to pantheon-level guys like Brady. Even for short-term moratoria on the use of a number, teams will need to pick their spots carefully. Because Edelman isn’t even the most illustrious #11 in franchise history, I think that’s a number that you just give out.
no I think the sameAm I crazy for thinking Edelman was the better and more illustrious #11?
Bledsoe is 17th all-time in career passing yards and made four Pro Bowls. Edelman is 160th all-time in career receiving yards and made zero Pro Bowls. Those numbers aren’t quite fair to Edelman, who was a key player on three championship teams, but Bledsoe was on an entirely different level. He was also one of the most significant players in the franchise’s first 40 years of existence.Am I crazy for thinking Edelman was the better and more illustrious #11?
Just curious, how old are you?Cite stats all you want, no one is going to remember #11 for Bledsoe. What a joke.
Haha thanks for defending us old timers. For quite a few years when I thought 11 I thought about Drew. But in the past few years Edelman’s absolute clutch-ness (if that’s not a word it should be) has firmly made him THE number 11 in my mind, but I’ll never forget Bledsoe, our first real “star” quarterback.Just curious, how old are you?
Not him but I'm in my early fifties. I definitely saw Drew's entire career and appreciated his time with the Pats, and I'm not dismissing your point of view as I think you have a valid argument, but for me Jules is the more important and cherished #11.Just curious, how old are you?
I don't disagree with the point. I guess I would just add that second most catches in the playoffs all time is a pretty cool stat that maybe is partly a team stat but also a rather amazing stat for a guy whose career was not quite of that level.Bledsoe is 17th all-time in career passing yards and made four Pro Bowls. Edelman is 160th all-time in career receiving yards and made zero Pro Bowls. Those numbers aren’t quite fair to Edelman, who was a key player on three championship teams, but Bledsoe was on an entirely different level. He was also one of the most significant players in the franchise’s first 40 years of existence.
A lady never reveals...Just curious, how old are you?
Yeah, Bledsoe is probably a better player in isolation but Edelman has 3 rings where he was the best wide receiver on the team.I don't think either is retireable, but I think part of it is... Bledsoe was very good in an era for the team that was generally forgettable.
I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but if you’re over 40, Bledsoe arrived at a major turning point for the team. He was drafted by the newly hired Bill Parcells. I’m pretty sure his rookie season was the year they debuted the Flying Elvis uniforms. Kraft bought the team a year later. While our first Lombardi was still a few years off, it really felt for the fans like this was finally a serious franchise. And he was really good. So for those of us who grew up watching them trot out guys like Tom Hodson and Scott Secules and Hugh Millen and make us yearn for the days of Grogan and Eason, Drew will always be remembered.I don't think either is retireable, but I think part of it is... Bledsoe was very good in an era for the team that was generally forgettable.
I had a coach in Chelmsford who told me "when you're right you're right" amongst other less post-able euphemisms.I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but if you’re over 40, Bledsoe arrived at a major turning point for the team. He was drafted by the newly hired Bill Parcells. I’m pretty sure his rookie season was the year they debuted the Flying Elvis uniforms. Kraft bought the team a year later. While our first Lombardi was still a few years off, it really felt for the fans like this was finally a serious franchise. And he was really good. So for those of us who grew up watching them trot out guys like Tom Hodson and Scott Secules and Hugh Millen and make us yearn for the days of Grogan and Eason, Drew will always be remembered.
I came of age in the Bledsoe Era (I, being a die hard Notre Dame fan, was asp pissed that the Pats picked Bledsoe over Rick Mirer, so lets not mistake me for GM material) but am old enough to remember Marc Wilson, Tommy Hodson, Hugh Millian. I think Bledsoe will not get the respect he deserves from folks who became fans in the Brady era, because they just won't know what it was like in the bad old days. It's really hard to quantify how important Bledsoe was for the Pats. He was their first legit QB in a long time (ever?). He put the team on his back and willed them to win on many occasions. Yes, he did make some shitty decisions and throw infuriating INTs, but he also won as many games with his guts as he lost. I can't believe his arm didn't fall off in 1994. He was the reason they made theBledsoe is 17th all-time in career passing yards and made four Pro Bowls. Edelman is 160th all-time in career receiving yards and made zero Pro Bowls. Those numbers aren’t quite fair to Edelman, who was a key player on three championship teams, but Bledsoe was on an entirely different level. He was also one of the most significant players in the franchise’s first 40 years of existence.
Troy Brown was only great for a couple years. Edelman had a much longer peak.I think the best comp for JE is Troy Brown — both above-average WRs and fan favorites who won three rings, but were never mentioned in any serious “best WR in the league” discussion and clearly won’t be getting into Canton without buying a ticket. I didn’t recall any upset when Troy Brown’s #80 was handed out — but they waited several years, and the guy they gave it to (Amendola) was an established player, not a random midseason pickup.
So I guess I can understand the pique. Sort of. For me, I don’t care about any numbers besides 12, and even then, I’d be more upset about putting that kind of expectations on a new guy than denigrating Brady’s legacy.
But who was the better cornerback?Troy Brown was only great for a couple years. Edelman had a much longer peak.
Edit: 2000-2002 for Troy. Whereas Edelman had six years of fantastic play, 2013-2019, minus the 2017 season that he missed.
Double edit: the Pats won a single title with Troy as a starting WR. Come 2003 it was Branch and Givens starting. They won three with Edelman.
They didn't go to the SB in 1994...I came of age in the Bledsoe Era (I, being a die hard Notre Dame fan, was asp pissed that the Pats picked Bledsoe over Rick Mirer, so lets not mistake me for GM material) but am old enough to remember Marc Wilson, Tommy Hodson, Hugh Millian. I think Bledsoe will not get the respect he deserves from folks who became fans in the Brady era, because they just won't know what it was like in the bad old days. It's really hard to quantify how important Bledsoe was for the Pats. He was their first legit QB in a long time (ever?). He put the team on his back and willed them to win on many occasions. Yes, he did make some shitty decisions and throw infuriating INTs, but he also won as many games with his guts as he lost. I can't believe his arm didn't fall off in 1994. He was the reason they made the Super Bowl that year. Yes, he regressed in the Pete Carrol Era and was kind of shot by the time BB came along, but if you don't remember the Patriots pre-Bledsoe, trust me, you don't want to. When Hugh Million and the corpse of Steve Grogran are the best QBs of your decade, you might have a problem. Bledsoe made the Patriots legit. He laid the groundwork for the Brady Era. He won't get the respect he deserves because Brady was his successor, the end of his career was meh to bad, and Jules got his number, so he became forgettable. I am not saying that 11 will be retired and if it was it would be jointly, not just for Bledsoe. But he deserves our respect and undying gratitude.
You're right, playoffs, not Super Bowl. Sorry using SoSH as a distraction from work 11 hours into coding isn't a recipe for success.They didn't go to the SB in 1994...
I was 10 in 1992 and Parcells coming in and them drafting Drew were literally life changing events for me. All of a sudden home games started to be on TV and we didn't have to drive to New Hampshire to watch them, the Pats all of a sudden were relevant and there was some hope. I still remember vividly that Miami game I believe in 1994 where Drew was slinging it. Jules was amazing, but 11 will always be Drew Bledsoe in my mind.I'm the same age as Bledsoe and nobody was a bigger fanboy than me. I think it is a close call, but agree neither is retriable and Bledsoe overall was the better player. Arguments for Jules begin and end with his post-season accomplishments, which are amazing, and of course the three rings. But in the context of the era in which he was playing Bledsoe had the better career overall.
It is impossible to overstate how completely irrelevant the Pats were when Bledsoe came along. Kraft and probably Parcells deserve a little more credit in elevating the Pats from a glorified minor-league football team into an actual NFL franchise, but he was instrumental. And he probably could have submarined the entire 2001 season if he wanted to. He wasn't happy about losing his starting job due to injury, and he had a lot of allies in the locker room at a time when Belichick still didn't have much credibility.
That's ridiculous.Cite stats all you want, no one is going to remember #11 for Bledsoe. What a joke.
That game was wild. It had rained the day before I believe and the baseball diamond was still on the field so it was a mess. 39-35 just a tremendous shootout. Bledsoe had another one the following week at home against Buffalo losing 38-35. I loved that 1994 season. Al Groh brought the shovel to the field as well. That was really the start of the turnaround.I was 10 in 1992 and Parcells coming in and them drafting Drew were literally life changing events for me. All of a sudden home games started to be on TV and we didn't have to drive to New Hampshire to watch them, the Pats all of a sudden were relevant and there was some hope. I still remember vividly that Miami game I believe in 1994 where Drew was slinging it. Jules was amazing, but 11 will always be Drew Bledsoe in my mind.