I think it's supposed to mean we haven't been aggressively shopping Gilmore because we don't have enough depth behind him. Poorly written though.What does the 2nd sentence mean? I don't get it. It's non-sensical
"There hasn't been any trade traction around the league, because the Patriots didn't do enough to shore up the CB position."
Thanks, I came to that conclusion after reading it 3-4 times. Really poorly written.I think it's supposed to mean we haven't been aggressively shopping Gilmore because we don't have enough depth behind him. Poorly written though.
And that’s not even true either, unless the standard for ‘shoring up’ the depth at the position is ‘have another shutdown corner behind him.’ There are, what, 3 guys at his position at that level? Gilmore can’t be replaced, and I don’t think the Pats want to trade him no matter how many above average/good but not great corners they have behind him.I think it's supposed to mean we haven't been aggressively shopping Gilmore because we don't have enough depth behind him. Poorly written though.
Correct. It's not like a depth chart of Jackson / Jones / Mills would be a complete disaster. Probably middle of the pack NFL, honestly.And that’s not even true either, unless the standard for ‘shoring up’ the depth at the position is ‘have another shutdown corner behind him.’ There are, what, 3 guys at his position at that level? Gilmore can’t be replaced, and I don’t think the Pats want to trade him no matter how many above average/good but not great corners they have behind him.
Agreed. But why fuck with something good. Hammer out some cash to keep him happy another year. Enjoy depth at a really important position. Win win.Correct. It's not like a depth chart of Jackson / Jones / Mills would be a complete disaster. Probably middle of the pack NFL, honestly.
Unless the thinking is that with the improvements to the front seven, they'll get more pressure on QBs and can get by w/o him.Agreed. But why fuck with something good. Hammer out some cash to keep him happy another year. Enjoy depth at a really important position. Win win.
I think it ends up the Brady route, a phony additional year with some extra money added, then Gilly Lock walks as a free agent - hopefully as part of the comp pick formula.Unless the thinking is that with the improvements to the front seven, they'll get more pressure on QBs and can get by w/o him.
In the end, this is going to go the way it always go: If they can come together on the money figure the Patriots are comfortable with, he'll stay. If not, the countdown begins.
Seems right to meI think it ends up the Brady route, a phony additional year with some extra money added, then Gilly Lock walks as a free agent - hopefully as part of the comp pick formula.
So, you're thinking Jalen Mills will only be a safety?If the Pats didn't intend to keep him, they 100% WOULD have used some of that massive offseason spend to adding another CB. It's not like they couldnt find one so now are stuck keeping him.
My point is, they arent boxed inSo, you're thinking Jalen Mills will only be a safety?
Yes. Which still made him underpaid last year.Granted, Gilmore is now underpaid, but isn't his salary $7 mill this year because he was given an advance of $5 mill from it LAST YEAR?
Sounds like he’s prepping to hopefully get himself on PUP so he isn’t fined for missing preseason. I’m not holding out, I’m hurt! But when I’m healthy pay me. Good strategy.
Yes but I doubt Gilmore and his agent care about last year now. They're focused with him being paid market value this year, as they should. I'm also fairly certain BB knew Gilmore would never play for just $7 mill this year when they re-worked the deal last year. Seems like this is all just posturing and they'll hammer something out around the time training camp begins or slightly afterwards.Granted, Gilmore is now underpaid, but isn't his salary $7 mill this year because he was given an advance of $5 mill from it LAST YEAR?
I wouldn't be surprised if that's what is offered. Whether he takes it is another matter. Just because Brady and Gronk did so, doesn't mean he will.I wouldn't be surprised if Gilmore gets a bunch of incentives added to his deal -- that was what BB did with Brady and Gronk their last few years.
True, but if they're tied to counting stats - games, plays, passes defensed, etc. - he could be leaving quite a lot of dough on the table if he sits until week 8I wouldn't be surprised if that's what is offered. Whether he takes it is another matter. Just because Brady and Gronk did so, doesn't mean he will.
This was the Beetle take today on 98.5It's possible that this played a small role in the Cam decision. Without Gilmore lifting that secondary, it's hard to imagine a run-heavy Cam-led O scores enough to compete.
That feels like a huge stretch.It's possible that this played a small role in the Cam decision. Without Gilmore lifting that secondary, it's hard to imagine a run-heavy Cam-led O scores enough to compete.
RapSheet claims he wouldn't have been ready until "week 3 or 4." But now instead he's out until Week 7 at the earliest due to being placed on the PUP. I wonder what else is at play here.Anyone know the deal with why the injury is taking so long? I thought the consensus was that he might not be ready for the start of camp, but this seems like a surprise to me that he needs at least another 6 weeks (8 weeks really) into the regular season.
Couldn’t it be as simple as, if they think he won’t be back until Week 3 or 4, they are willing to trade a few more games where he can’t play for an extra roster spot now?RapSheet claims he wouldn't have been ready until "week 3 or 4." But now instead he's out until Week 7 at the earliest due to being placed on the PUP. I wonder what else is at play here.
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History tells us there will be guys who make the initial 53 man who don't last a month anyway. Getting the best player on the team back three weeks earlier is a better use of a roster spot than upgrading a fringe back of the roster guy. Keeping Gilmore on PUP suggests to me that either he's not going to be healthy earlier or he won't play / practice earlier.They would risk losing a guy they’ll need for the first month if they tried to put him on the 53-man and then to IR, where he would miss a minimum of three weeks anyways.
Is that really something that might be in the works? Has anyone actually heard rumors about this, or are they just completely making things up?Don't be surprised if ... the Saints end up with Stephon Gilmore after all.
What I'm hearing: As of this past week, the Patriots were still open to the idea of trading Gilmore, who now has to miss the first six weeks on the physically unable to perform list. Gilmore is known to be unhappy with his contract, which is up after the season. While there was optimism a month or so ago that he and the Patriots would get something worked out, they still have not.
As well they should, right? He's currently under contract and is not healthy. There is zero reason to throw more money at him until he shows that he's ready to play.The Gilmore contract situation is complicated by him coming off of surgery. I think the Patriots were holding out on renegotiating because he hasn't appeared in camp and proven that he is good to go.
Absolutely. I think the Patriots are making the wise decision here.As well they should, right? He's currently under contract and is not healthy. There is zero reason to throw more money at him until he shows that he's ready to play.