Kinks be damned - Bauer sounds like a sociopath.
View: https://twitter.com/mollyhc/status/1426562019977797634
View: https://twitter.com/mollyhc/status/1426562019977797634
He also tweeted an exchange between himself and the woman in Ohio.View: https://twitter.com/BauerOutage/status/1426566920648544256
Bauer tweets out a response to the Post article.
You're totes right. A 28 year-old famous millionaire getting an impoverished 19 year-old hammered so he can have abusive/exploitive sex with her absolutely bears no responsibility whatever for that kid fixating on them to the degree they text a lot, when said 28 year old dumps them.How do we know he "cultivated her to be obsessed with him"?
Rich and famous people do terrible things all the time, even though they theoretically have a lot to lose. Why, I’m not sure..I imagine that a lot of the character traits that lead people to be rich and famous may the same that allow them to expert power over others and think they won’t be punished?I just can't fathom how someone this wealthy and famous would put himself in these potentially dangerous situations that have no positive long term outcome. All for a freakish brief interaction with strangers that he has no other relationship with. Hard to get behind him on this. He's going to get his due process but he is pretty much done with MLB. Worth it?
Ah, I actually didnt know she was only 19. That exchange makes more sense.You're totes right. A 28 year-old famous millionaire getting an impoverished 19 year-old hammered so he can have abusive/exploitive sex with her absolutely bears no responsibility whatever for that kid fixating on them to the degree they text a lot, when said 28 year old dumps them.
Feel free to be pedantic about the details.
It's plausible the Reds were unaware. The initial encounter/assault happened while he was with the Indians and the application for the TRO and then its dismissal all happened during the shutdown. It doesn't seem like it ever made news of any kind at the time (not even a blurb in the court reports), so it's likely the only chance the Reds would have had to find out was if Bauer told them. I have my doubts that he would have said anything until or unless the case jeopardized his ability to play (like, a mandatory court appearance or the TRO preventing him from being in Cleveland with the team).This should be career-ending for Bauer — even if he avoids prison — but it sounds to me like we need to hear from the Cincinnati Reds about why this was swept under the rug, if they somehow managed not to be aware of it.
Sociopath isn't the word anyway. He's a sexual deviant.It's plausible the Reds were unaware. The initial encounter/assault happened while he was with the Indians and the application for the TRO and then its dismissal all happened during the shutdown. It doesn't seem like it ever made news of any kind at the time (not even a blurb in the court reports), so it's likely the only chance the Reds would have had to find out was if Bauer told them. I have my doubts that he would have said anything until or unless the case jeopardized his ability to play (like, a mandatory court appearance or the TRO preventing him from being in Cleveland with the team).
Bauer's toast, and rightly so. This new revelation just shows that he has a pattern of this behavior, which tosses any defense of the California incident as a misunderstanding or "kink gone wrong" out the window. He clearly enjoys beating on women, and doesn't grasp how that is wrong. Sociopath seems too weak a description.
His responses to the accusations as well as the reported texts he sent to the victims are certainly sociopathic in nature.Sociopath isn't the word anyway. He's a sexual deviant.
I always figured these billion dollar teams had some pretty intense vetting ops for high profile players. They don’t run background checks before cutting checks?It's plausible the Reds were unaware. The initial encounter/assault happened while he was with the Indians and the application for the TRO and then its dismissal all happened during the shutdown. It doesn't seem like it ever made news of any kind at the time (not even a blurb in the court reports), so it's likely the only chance the Reds would have had to find out was if Bauer told them. I have my doubts that he would have said anything until or unless the case jeopardized his ability to play (like, a mandatory court appearance or the TRO preventing him from being in Cleveland with the team).
Bauer's toast, and rightly so. This new revelation just shows that he has a pattern of this behavior, which tosses any defense of the California incident as a misunderstanding or "kink gone wrong" out the window. He clearly enjoys beating on women, and doesn't grasp how that is wrong. Sociopath seems too weak a description.
I don't know a ton about background checks, but would sealed court records of an attempted and abandoned TRO show up?I always figured these billion dollar teams had some pretty intense vetting ops for high profile players. They don’t run background checks before cutting checks?
I think that’s probably an incorrect assumption. Look at Aaron Hernandez.I always figured these billion dollar teams had some pretty intense vetting ops for high profile players. They don’t run background checks before cutting checks?
They've probably found it's better not to know any of this stuff. They can rightly claim ignorance and only deal with the fallout when stuff becomes public.I always figured these billion dollar teams had some pretty intense vetting ops for high profile players. They don’t run background checks before cutting checks?
Or how many times someone pulls up a young player’s Twitter timeline and finds racist or homophobic slurs, which could be found with a simple search.I think that’s probably an incorrect assumption. Look at Aaron Hernandez.
You can't fathom? This has been going on forever except for the last 100 years it was celebrated and there was significantly more willingness by journalists and police and the courts to brush it under the rug. Shit, even today I bet anything that athletes get away with an exponentially greater number of abuses that we never hear about than the ones we do. Every time I hear stories about how players used to bang girls in the locker rooms or under the bleachers, I cringe because it's next to impossible to even consider how much power these players actually have over young women or men.I just can't fathom how someone this wealthy and famous would put himself in these potentially dangerous situations that have no positive long term outcome. All for a freakish brief interaction with strangers that he has no other relationship with. Hard to get behind him on this. He's going to get his due process but he is pretty much done with MLB. Worth it?
I was thinking about that today for a completely different reason. Juicing and sticky stuff in baseball, wouldn't teams try to find out before they sign players what they've been up to, their training regimens, old coaches....etc. It feels like any team's ability to check on players backgrounds is pretty shitty.I always figured these billion dollar teams had some pretty intense vetting ops for high profile players. They don’t run background checks before cutting checks?
This is all a game of hot potato. Teams know that most of these guys are scum bags they just hope that no one finds out until they’re off their roster.I don't know a ton about background checks, but would sealed court records of an attempted and abandoned TRO show up?
I was thinking similarly when looking through this thread yesterday. My scenario was musical chairs and Bauer's sitting in your chair when the shit hits the fan.This is all a game of hot potato. Teams know that most of these guys are scum bags they just hope that no one finds out until they’re off their roster.
“Whaaaaaattt? I’m shocked that this happend!”
Sure you are.
You’d have to do something like an FBI background check where you go and talk to lots of people in person’s life; a standard check of criminal records and credit histories wouldn’t turn up the sort of stuff we’re talking about. I imagine that doing that kind of background check when other teams don’t would put you at a considerable disadvantage in competing for talent.I always figured these billion dollar teams had some pretty intense vetting ops for high profile players. They don’t run background checks before cutting checks?
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb-news/178744-theo-epstein-red-sox-didnt-investigate-carl-crawfordNot to derail the thread, but wasn't there a story about Carl Crawford being kind of freaked out by how thoroughly the Red Sox investigated him prior to signing?
Not to derail the thread, but wasn't there a story about Carl Crawford being kind of freaked out by how thoroughly the Red Sox investigated him prior to signing?
Not a derail at all. It sounds like Theo just misspoke, but the controversy that ensued illustrates how sensitive players are to being investigated. It’s no wonder that teams get blindsided by players like Trevor Bauer.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32051068/woman-denied-restraining-order-trevor-bauerThe judge ruled that Bauer does not pose a threat to the woman and that her injuries were not the result of anything she verbally objected to.
Is he really a threat to her, though?That is unbelievable. No wonder victims of abuse don't come forward.
Absolutely counts wrt whether he committed a crime or assaulted her, the judge just doesn’t think it makes him a threat to the victim in the futureThe "verbally objected to" part is odd. If she was gagged or unconscious when he went beyond their agreed boundaries, does that count?
She thinks so. It's a close call legally - so I might have overreacted with "unbelievable" - but I'd give the victim the benefit of the doubt in this situation.Is he really a threat to her, though?
He can still be found guilty.
Yeah. That's why I was asking because this hearing was specifically wrt a restraining order. The impression I got from Bauer's defense was that she misrepresented her injuries in her filings and did the same about the number of texts and calls she received. I had also had the impression that, prior to her filing for this, Bauer was contacting her non-stop, but then it was admitted he hadn't had any contact with her in a month (I think I read that right from The Sun's coverage). I don't see the need for a restraining order when someone has legitimately not made any effort to contact someone in a month. That said, I hope Bauer - if it's proven he's guilty in a criminal case - goes to prison. He should also be blackballed / suspended by the league, but I wonder if that will actually happen. He's too talented for teams to resist signing as the negative press will be bad at first but die down eventually.It definitely was a factor. The Court made a point of calling out the victim on her claims that Bauer had called and texted her incessantly over a two week period when the record reflected that it was a couple of texts a day. (which to my mind is plenty when there isn;t a response, but whatever). It did go to the credibility of her claim that she feared reprisal from him.
bringing criminal charges is going to be difficultThe judge said the "injuries as shown in the photographs are terrible" but added, "If she set limits and he exceeded them, this case would've been clear. But she set limits without considering all the consequences, and respondent did not exceed limits that the petitioner set."
I've said for awhile now too that saying she was in and out of unconsciousness is going to be very tough to prove. Further, even if she can prove it, she won't be able to prove that he knew she was unconscious or that anything happened during that time. It's a horrible situation for a victim and I'm going to be honest, my non-lawyer impression here is that Bauer has a pretty easy case to prove given her text messages. They set up a safe word, he never heard the safe word nor she did say she said it. We've all seen the texts where after the first encounter, she said she wanted even more and how much she enjoyed it, especially "going out." All of that puts a greater burden on the prosecution to prove Bauer was doing anything other than a consensual act. Maybe I'm wrong here but I think he walks away unscathed from this in the courts. His baseball career is probably over, though, which is the really interesting thing here considering we have players now who physically beat wives/girlfriends or threatened to kill them where there was absolutely no ambiguity or argument. I mean, Domingo German beat his wife in front of the other baseball players and he's still playing. Trevor Bauer beat a young woman and as thin as his argument might be, it's better than any of the other shitheads.bringing criminal charges is going to be difficult
I'm not as familiar with the details as some here seem to be, nor do I know CA law. But the state always has to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. The above sounds like a reasonable doubt. Specifically, the doubt is: I have a doubt because he might have had permission.I've said for awhile now too that saying she was in and out of unconsciousness is going to be very tough to prove. Further, even if she can prove it, she won't be able to prove that he knew she was unconscious or that anything happened during that time. It's a horrible situation for a victim and I'm going to be honest, my non-lawyer impression here is that Bauer has a pretty easy case to prove given her text messages. They set up a safe word, he never heard the safe word nor she did say she said it. We've all seen the texts where after the first encounter, she said she wanted even more and how much she enjoyed it, especially "going out." All of that puts a greater burden on the prosecution to prove Bauer was doing anything other than a consensual act. Maybe I'm wrong here but I think he walks away unscathed from this in the courts. His baseball career is probably over, though, which is the really interesting thing here considering we have players now who physically beat wives/girlfriends or threatened to kill them where there was absolutely no ambiguity or argument. I mean, Domingo German beat his wife in front of the other baseball players and he's still playing. Trevor Bauer beat a young woman and as thin as his argument might be, it's better than any of the other shitheads.
Unless some team, like a Steve Cohen Mets, decides that "everyone deserves a second chance," it'll be tough for Bauer to play again. I don't look forward to the videos of Bauer donating to food banks and doing good deeds for a year.
Without knowing more about Bauer's prior history with other women, I'd guess that he plays again. I don't think the criminal case is going to go anywhere substantive - I still thinks Bauer pleads to something but nothing egregious - and there is a civil settlement. Bauer then serves some suspension as a first time offender and then gets to go back to his career.I've said for awhile now too that saying she was in and out of unconsciousness is going to be very tough to prove. Further, even if she can prove it, she won't be able to prove that he knew she was unconscious or that anything happened during that time. It's a horrible situation for a victim and I'm going to be honest, my non-lawyer impression here is that Bauer has a pretty easy case to prove given her text messages. They set up a safe word, he never heard the safe word nor she did say she said it. We've all seen the texts where after the first encounter, she said she wanted even more and how much she enjoyed it, especially "going out." All of that puts a greater burden on the prosecution to prove Bauer was doing anything other than a consensual act. Maybe I'm wrong here but I think he walks away unscathed from this in the courts. His baseball career is probably over, though, which is the really interesting thing here considering we have players now who physically beat wives/girlfriends or threatened to kill them where there was absolutely no ambiguity or argument. I mean, Domingo German beat his wife in front of the other baseball players and he's still playing. Trevor Bauer beat a young woman and as thin as his argument might be, it's better than any of the other shitheads.
Unless some team, like a Steve Cohen Mets, decides that "everyone deserves a second chance," it'll be tough for Bauer to play again. I don't look forward to the videos of Bauer donating to food banks and doing good deeds for a year.
That is unbelievable. No wonder victims of abuse don't come forward.
I don't think he's a threat to her. He's very famous and recognizable and is now under heavy scrutiny, and it has to have even gotten through that thick head of his that if he goes near her again, he'll probably lose any chance he has of ever putting on a uniform again.Is he really a threat to her, though?
He can still be found guilty.
Sadly this is true regardless of whether there's a RO or PFA.But to jmcc's larger point about victims of abuse, when this happens to someone not famous, the abuser/stalker is a threat again the second he leaves the courthouse.
em to be, nor do I know CA law. But the state always has to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. The above sounds like a reasonable doubt. Specifically, the doubt is: I have a doubt because he might have had permiss
The hosts or callers? Gross either way.Listening to local San Diego radio this morning and heard 2 different stations just openly ripping this woman to shreds, saying she gave Bauer blanket permission to do whatever and has no right to be upset. Basically just openly mocking her and laughing that she had relationships with several other Padres players while she was member of the Pad Squad (the crew of young women that shoot t-shirts into the crowd) and was clearly just a "cleat-chaser". It was really disgusting.