I don't know if ball hog is the right word, but he certainly dominates the ball. Westbrook is 2nd all-time in career usage %, only behind Jordan (Lebron is 5th). Interestingly enough Wade was also 2nd all-time (I think) before Lebron got to Miami.I don’t know of many ball hogs who have led the league in Assists during the last 3 full NBA seasons.
I was curious how far back usage rates went because it seems like an awfully modern list. Was mildly surprised to see Boogie 6th.I don't know if ball hog is the right word, but he certainly dominates the ball. Westbrook is 2nd all-time in career usage %, only behind Jordan (Lebron is 5th). Interestingly enough Wade was also 2nd all-time (I think) before Lebron got to Miami.
All I remember about that trade was that Red was pissed and insisted he had made a much better offer.John Drew, who I'm not 100% sure I've ever heard of.
He was a 2nd round pick in 1974 & played for the Hawks for 8 years before being traded by Atlanta to Utah for Dominique Wilkins.
yep.I was John Drew many times in my driveway as a young kid. Guy could get buckets like nobody’s business. When I felt quick I’d shift over into Randy Smith mode. Ah the innocence of being 8!
Utah trades Favors and a future 1st to OKC for a future 2nd in a salary dump. Of course OKC gained another 1st.
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Only for other bad contracts.yep.
Does anyone think it's going to be "easy" to move Tristan Thompson (without assets) and his $9.7MM now?
yea. on 2nd thought the cost, for Utah, isn't even that greatFavors has two years remaining on his contract (player option). He's a better player but the situations aren't really comparable.
TT isn’t the same as Favors though as the latter is due an additional $10m following this season. Also, for Utah this was a pure salary dump without receiving a player (and a contract) in return so there was only a couple options available who would want to absorb $10m in 2022-23.yep.
I'm a hair queasy about PBS trying to move Tristan Thompson (without assets) and his $9.7MM
BUT I guess the Favors cost wasn't that great, the delta between an OKC 2nd and Utah 1st isn't huge.
When do we decide that Beal isn't forcing his way out?
Utah also has to dump salary before free agency to resign Mike Conley, so that can’t wait for the market to develop. They were working from a position of weakness.Favors has two years remaining on his contract (player option). He's a better player but the situations aren't really comparable.
Favors is a better player than TT, but not by much. yea Dev is correctTT isn’t the same as Favors though as the latter is due an additional $10m following this season. Also, for Utah this was a pure salary dump without receiving a player (and a contract) in return so there was only a couple options available who would want to absorb $10m in 2022-23.
Edit: What Dev said.
Bootlegging and privateer skills are pretty passe on 2021.Help me out: the read on Favors v TT is the former is a better weakside defender, better rum-runner, but less switchable and worse rebounder, right?
Seems fair-ish. I think Favors can play a more useful role in winning basketball. His 7'4 wingspan (TT = 7'1) allows him to be a better rim protector & he's a more efficient offensive player. He's also a better free throw shooter & less Kardashiany.Help me out: the read on Favors v TT is the former is a better weakside defender, better rum-runner, but less switchable and worse rebounder, right?
My best typo yet.Bootlegging and privateer skills are pretty passe on 2021.
Seems like he'd be some very expensive TL insurance and therefore, as you said, an unlikely move.Seems fair-ish. I think Favors can play a more useful role in winning basketball. His 7'4 wingspan (TT = 7'1) allows him to be a better rim protector & he's a more efficient offensive player. He's also a better free throw shooter & less Kardashiany.
Only real downside is the '23 $10.2m player option which is problematic if trying to free up cap space next year, but I don't think that's the path they'll take anyway.
Right. If we're concerned about depth, might be better to just keep Kornet around and hope he can improve his shooting percentages and strength.I wouldn't want Favors. His on/offs last year were bad, and he was borderline unplayable in the playoffs (admittedly so was TT), neither should have much of a role with Al and TL on the roster and options for small 5s, given both have little left in the way of lateral movement. I'd rather eat TTs 1 year than take the chance of paying 10M+ two straight years for a deep bench C.
I think other teams probably see it the same way. If you're getting a veteran backup C who may be losing it you'd like to go year to year with him, and you'd rather the younger guy when given the chance.
Favors is 4 months younger than TT.I wouldn't want Favors. His on/offs last year were bad, and he was borderline unplayable in the playoffs (admittedly so was TT), neither should have much of a role with Al and TL on the roster and options for small 5s, given both have little left in the way of lateral movement. I'd rather eat TTs 1 year than take the chance of paying 10M+ two straight years for a deep bench C.
I think other teams probably see it the same way. If you're getting a veteran backup C who may be losing it you'd like to go year to year with him, and you'd rather the younger guy when given the chance.
Yeah, I would much rather just flip him for something else. That was more of just a "if these were my only 2 options" thing.My best typo yet.
Seems like he'd be some very expensive TL insurance and therefore, as you said, an unlikely move.
Think TT is more likely to be moved for a reliable PG type to play next to Marcus - I know someone was floating a Tyus Jones type. Someone who doesn't need the ball a whole lot but can pass and shoot a little. But my understanding is that so much will depend on whether the C's can sign-and-trade Fournier for anything or if he just walks.
Wow, I didn't even look it up because I just assumed Favors was like 33 minimum.Favors is 4 months younger than TT.
The on-off was awful last year (-11.7), but it was great the year before (+9.0) & all his 36 minute #s were right in line or better. His minutes were reduced, though (24 to 15) so yeah, not sure.
Stuff like 138/103 ortg/drtg (TT 116/112) is kinda crazy & he had a 5.1 WS season (TT 2.9)19.7 PER (TT 14.2), 66.3% TS (TT 54.0%)... basically he became an Ed Davis All Star, which obviously isn't a great thing if that's his new cap & it can't translate to more & more positive minutes.
Yeah, Favors was 3rd pick in 2010, TT 4th in 2011, but Favors came into the league younger.Wow, I didn't even look it up because I just assumed Favors was like 33 minimum.
Playoffs were interesting for the stuff you looked at:
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I think Favors is a guy who can still feast on some bad bench matchups, but gets run off the floor by playoff caliber teams. His team was a significant Rd 1 favorite and the higher seed in round 2, he basically fell out of the rotation late against the Clips (6MPG) because he couldn't play unless Zubac was on the floor. I think Thompson has a lower ceiling, but he's more matchup proof in that he can play below average against bad matchups instead of just falling off a cliff, where he doesn't have the flip side of Favors having the offensive game to feast on bad bench regular season matchups.
Honestly neither is of much use to this particular roster, so you want to move on from TT this year if possible, but next year for sure, Favors might be slightly better this year but the extra year is a huge negative.
My feeling is Favors would be better in the regular season this year, but TT might be better in the playoffs because if you need to play your 3rd big in the playoffs it's likely not because it's a good matchup, so TT can give you better bad matchup minutes (against and Embiid or something). Either way I think neither has much value to this particular team.Yeah, Favors was 3rd pick in 2010, TT 4th in 2011, but Favors came into the league younger.
The playoffs this year is a tiny sample size & TT likely boosted by Nets not really having to GAF, but you're right that the extra year is more problematic than I gave it credit for.
I'm not concerned about TT being able to suck less against certain matchups when they're deep enough to mix & match more optimally, so I stand by Favors being better for this upcoming year, but yup. I think it would still be close if it was just an extra year on Favors' contract, but the player option aspect takes away any upside of Favors actually being a great fit & outperforming the contract.
I made that mistake the other day. They gave up a 1st in the Westbrook trade. They still did good work, though.WAS front office deserves some major props, IMO.
They turned the worst contract in the NBA, in John Wall, into two first round picks, Kuzma, Caldwell Pope, and Harrell
Thats impressive
Doh. You are rightI made that mistake the other day. They gave up a 1st in the Westbrook trade. They still did good work, though.
Still moops is right about great work. They grabbed Westbrook at the right time and then jumped on the Lakers deal at the right time. Simply NOT having to end up with their own albatross contract is miraculous shit right there.I made that mistake the other day. They gave up a 1st in the Westbrook trade. They still did good work, though.
I like Monk, I wonder what the market is for him.Monk is now available.
View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1421940745741742088
Charlotte is allowing G Malik Monk to become an unrestricted free agent, and extends qualifying offer to make G Devonte Graham a restricted free agent, per team.
Not really. Just re-negotiating his contract View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1421948516260265989View: https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1421949174858219521?s=20
Per Chris Haynes, Kawhi declining player option and will become a free agent
Collins is recovering from another foot fracture/surgery. He has a lot of talent, but he’s a min contract guy at most given his injury issues. The track record of 7 footers with chronic foot fracture issues is really bad.Would love the Celts to take a flyer on Collins. I can't imagine he is going to get much more than a mini MLE deal for 1 or 2 years
His market is hard to assess—-someone could certainly fall in love.I like Monk, I wonder what the market is for him.
That seems like way too little. I'd guess he gets anywhere from 10-15 ml a year.His market is hard to assess—-someone could certainly fall in love.
Hollinger created a valuation metric for the Athletic; he pegged Monk’s value just under $5 mil. Certainly not the be all source of data, though consistent with Hornet’s decision
I want Jeff Green just to keep him away from anyone else so I don’t have to deal with any more of those BS performances.
It's funny because I feel the exact same way, but look at his career splits and he's averaging just 9.5 ppg against Boston with a TS% of .454. He does better (in both stats) against all 29 other teams. One of the most shocking stats I've seen in months.I want Jeff Green just to keep him away from anyone else so I don’t have to deal with any more of those BS performances.
That Game 7 performance will haunt my dreams for the rest of my life. I can’t discuss Jeff Green rationally because of it.It's funny because I feel the exact same way, but look at his career splits and he's averaging just 9.5 ppg against Boston with a TS% of .454. He does better (in both stats) against all 29 other teams. One of the most shocking stats I've seen in months.
Regular season only, but still.
I’m sure Dallas is eying him as a possible 1 guard. Having Doncic running the offense out of a F spot opens up a lot of avenues for you.I like Monk, I wonder what the market is for him.