He probably already has it.Would it surprise anyone if Danny gave Brad his number and said "hey you need anything....let me know".
He probably already has it.Would it surprise anyone if Danny gave Brad his number and said "hey you need anything....let me know".
(removed snark). Its more the offer.He probably already has it.
Damn son, why so defensive? Relax, it wasn't a shot at you.No shit. Its more the offer.
Yeah, they worked closely together here for a long time and I'm sure Danny has trusted him for a while now not to give it out to just anyone.He probably already has it.
If he’s going somewhere else as an “advisor” why wouldn’t it be with the organization and the team he’s out his heart and soul into? I didn’t see Red going to Detroit to advise the Pistons when he was retiring. It just doesn’t pass my smell test. By camouflaging it everyone wins and there is no drama during this transition.Ainge said on NBCSN in an interview following the presser that he wasn’t gonna take the same job somewhere else, and that he thought it would be a bad idea to stay with the C’s in a lesser role. He sounded like a guy done with the big job to me, and on what basis would we doubt that?
Didn't he basically answer that? It sounds like the Cs offered that to him but he turned it down so there would be a clear chain of command without any murkiness about how much power an "Advisor Danny" would have.If he’s going somewhere else as an “advisor” why wouldn’t it be with the organization and the team he’s out his heart and soul into? I didn’t see Red going to Detroit to advise the Pistons when he was retiring. It just doesn’t pass my smell test. By camouflaging it everyone wins and there is no drama during this transition.
He didn’t say he was going anywhere or would look to do so, he suggested that he was done as a GM and that being over the shoulder of/in the room with Brad would be a bad idea and he has seen that fail in other places.If he’s going somewhere else as an “advisor” why wouldn’t it be with the organization and the team he’s out his heart and soul into? I didn’t see Red going to Detroit to advise the Pistons when he was retiring. It just doesn’t pass my smell test. By camouflaging it everyone wins and there is no drama during this transition.
Yeah, I don't see a ploy either. that said... I wouldn't be that surprised if a year or two into retirement his buddy with the Jazz asks him to be involved on some level and he says yes because he's bored.He didn’t say he was going anywhere or would look to do so, he suggested that he was done as a GM and that being over the shoulder of/in the room with Brad would be a bad idea and he has seen that fail in other places.
And, to me, he looked and sounded burned out and relieved to be stepping back.
I don’t detect some elaborate ploy here.
I didn't say you did, I was just adding context for anyone else who might have been reading along here and didn't have time to listen to the podcast.Didn’t say he was reporting it. He was spitballing that if a superstar came available that you’d have to consider trading Brown.
I was just listening and what he says was “that entire team except for maybe Tatum and maybe Brown look dramatically different”More of the podcast.....
--Tatum is the only guarantee to be back next year(KOC)
This was about halfway through.I was just listening and what he says was “that entire team except for maybe Tatum and maybe Brown look dramatically different”
It wasn’t just Tatum.
EDIT: maybe there’s another comment later. This was about 16:30 in.
I think later he says something about how Brown might go for a star, around when they debate if you trade Brown for Beal (general consensus seemed to be no you don't, which I agree with)I was just listening and what he says was “that entire team except for maybe Tatum and maybe Brown look dramatically different”
It wasn’t just Tatum.
EDIT: maybe there’s another comment later. This was about 16:30 in.
Like I said, I’m not saying this is what happened. And I probably didn’t frame my post very well.Because thinking it's possible that they gave Stevens a five year extension less than a year ago to be the coach, and now thinking geez we'd like to get out of paying him this contract to be the coach so I guess we'll promote him, is next level crazy.
If Stevens wanted to continue coaching, he could have declined the promotion, let Wyc fire him, and collect a paycheck from the Celtics while he looks for a new job, which wouldn't take long at all as his reputation in the league is much better than it is on this subforum.Like I said, I’m not saying this is what happened. And I probably didn’t frame my post very well.
But I do wonder if ownership wanted Brad back as coach next season. It sounded to me like a Brad would have been happy to stay as coach, which begs the question.... who was pushing for this change?
I don’t think it’s crazy to think the Celtics value Stevens a lot in a general sense, think he has a good shot to succeed in the FO, know they are paying him anyway, but think the team needs a new head coach.
I certainly don’t think they would do this only to save money if they didn’t have high hopes for him as president of basketball OPs. But it’s also possible this “promotion” was not entirely Brad’s idea.
According to the presser, Brad and Danny started discussing Danny's retirement a few months back (before Wyc even knew). Maybe Danny posed the question, do you want to be the Boss or work for a new President? Brad can now be closer to home with his teenage kids and that may be more attractive than being on the road/hotels over 100 days of the year.Like I said, I’m not saying this is what happened. And I probably didn’t frame my post very well.
But I do wonder if ownership wanted Brad back as coach next season. It sounded to me like a Brad would have been happy to stay as coach, which begs the question.... who was pushing for this change?
I don’t think it’s crazy to think the Celtics value Stevens a lot in a general sense, think he has a good shot to succeed in the FO, know they are paying him anyway, but think the team needs a new head coach.
I certainly don’t think they would do this only to save money if they didn’t have high hopes for him as president of basketball OPs. But it’s also possible this “promotion” was not entirely Brad’s idea.
It shouldn't be anyone from LA,NY or Phoenix- those are places players want to go to. Boston, not so much. Throw Miami in there too even though the Heat are eliminated.
I'm happy Coach K is hanging it up; too many situations in the past few years where a great coach has hung on too long (Boeheim is Exhibit A for that; Jim Larranaga's another one). I have a feeling Cobra kept him from having already done it.This is truly shocking but the Coach K announcement gives it context.
It definitely makes sense in a lot of ways for Brad, perhaps this is exactly how it went.According to the presser, Brad and Danny started discussing Danny's retirement a few months back (before Wyc even knew). Maybe Danny posed the question, do you want to be the Boss or work for a new President? Brad can now be closer to home with his teenage kids and that may be more attractive than being on the road/hotels over 100 days of the year.
Yeah, I think Brad and Danny have each others phone numbers, too.He probably already has it.
Like that a lot. If I had a real concern above others on Brad as GM it's that he doesn't even have his own agent, he's not plugged into agent relationships (and while word is he's liked among players, he doesn't have a ton of direct player pull). Danny if he had a flaw recently it was he didn't have great relationships with the newer agents (Klutch notably) and while players might have respected his honesty he wasn't that tied in on the player relationship side
It would bring me happiness to learn that the Port Cellar was a superior resource for NBA inside information.What leaps out from the RR Ringer podcast today is how little actual information these NBA insiders actually have.
It's not. Jackie Mac has a lot of sources in BOS and around the league, the others know some.It would bring me happiness to learn that the Port Cellar was a superior resource for NBA inside information.
The bolded sounds familiar. I’m sure you are right. The idea that these particular podcast characters don’t know what they are talking about struck me. I think it primarily speaks to DeJesus’s comment that the Celtics kept a tight lid on things which is to their credit.It's not. Jackie Mac has a lot of sources in BOS and around the league, the others know some.
What it really is to be honest is that nobody has much until they are told it by someone who is looking for it to get out.... also filling a podcast or radio show is all about speculation, especially on this, where they're basically reacting and making predictions.
Maybe, though I can’t believe he’d have come to work under Stevens or without the ability to fire the coach. So I expect they picked Stevens over Presti.Chris Mannix on tv saying Celtics should have offered Sam Presti the GM job.
But this time, for the first time, his reservations were real and impossible to avoid any longer. Soon after the trade deadline, Ainge approached Celtics ownership and told them he did not think he had the energy to do his job anymore.
He said he would stay longer if the team needed him, but he believed that this should be his final season. Wyc Grousbeck and Steve Pagliuca were stunned, and they wanted to make sure Ainge, 62, did not make this decision hastily. They asked him to take more time.
Yes, they would be losing Stevens on the bench, but ownership reasoned that it was more challenging to find a high-level GM than a high-level coach. They approached Stevens with the idea.
He didn’t immediately say no, but he was somewhat ambivalent, in part because he was uncomfortable with the idea of replacing Ainge, a Celtics legend who also developed a reputation as one of the shrewdest executives in the NBA.
Over time, however, Stevens warmed to the possibility. His son, Brady, is a freshman in high school and his daughter, Kinsley, is in sixth grade, and the demanding nature of being a coach had taken him away from them often, never more than when the Celtics were separated from loved ones in the NBA’s Orlando bubble last summer.
Ooooooh I’m intrigued by this one. It’s the type of young ex-player who can easily connect with today’s 20-somethings.
it’s clear from this article and from the interview with Brad that this plan was in place well before the end of the seasonSome behind the scenes stuff: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/06/02/sports/how-danny-ainge-came-decision-step-down-with-celtics/
I already responded to this and I want to add, I listened to the Russillo pod....and he clearly has no inside information or really anything of substance about Ainge.This is appearing more and more like the worst camouflage ever.
“Ainge is retiring but he’s looking for the same job in a different organization.”
I dunno.....where I’m from it sounds an awful lot like the PC way of firing him.
Yeah former Knick and Hawk I believe.Ooooooh I’m intrigued by this one. It’s the type of young ex-player who can easily connect with today’s 20-somethings.
Knicks then Raps. He was one of that stretch of 2nd rounders who got weird offer sheets right at the end of the Linsanity era.Yeah former Knick and Hawk I believe.
Ahh yes Toronto.Knicks then Raps. He was one of that stretch of 2nd rounders who got weird offer sheets right at the end of the Linsanity era.
Retired early due to hip Labrum tear.. was a scout for the Spurs then worked his way up to GM of their G-League affiliate, then Hawks Asst GM.
You're forgetting Doc Rivers!I'm glad that this seems to have been planned for some time and not a quick reaction. That said, the timing is excellent given the damage Irving recently inflicted on the franchise with his comments on racism in Boston. Those comments unleashed an old narrative that could negatively affect their ability to sign future FA's. Replacing an old white guy at the top with a much younger ex-coach well-known to the league's players gives the organization some fresh air. I hope they hire a minority HC next. It's time. It's been a long while since ML Carr was the coach and that situation wasn't pretty then. If you're going to counter a perception that's been given voice, then doing it as quickly as possible is your best attack.
I think DA was a smart GM who had some great luck and some horrific luck. Red was right - Danny is lucky.
Wow, massive overlook on my part - thanks. Still think they need to push back on the turmoil created by KI and it's a perfect time to do the right thing.You're forgetting Doc Rivers!
I'd say ML was one of the weaker coaches in my 60 years watching the team. But, it's pretty apparent three of their better ones were Doc, KC and Russell.
Yes, the paradox of the perception of the Boston Celtics. The team that broke the color barrier in the NBA. The league's first Black coach in Bill Russell. KC being the head coach of those white Celtics teams was a fact neglected by the haters, strange during a period when he was only one of 2 Black head coaches in the league. And Doc delivering the team's 17th banner and getting his suit ruined in the process. And, yes, ML Carr does not belong anywhere near the same category as those 3; Satch Sanders didn't succeed either, but he had zero chance. And the team has had good white coaches as well: Stevens, Chris Ford, Jim O'Brien, even Bill Fitch, and, of course, Tommy Heinsohn and Red.You're forgetting Doc Rivers!
I'd say ML was one of the weaker coaches in my 60 years watching the team. But, it's pretty apparent three of their better ones were Doc, KC and Russell.
Before or after trading Shae Gilgeous-Alexander to Boston for Romeo Langford and Aaron Nesmith?Chris Mannix on tv saying Celtics should have offered Sam Presti the GM job.
And a Stanford grad so he has at least some intellect.Knicks then Raps. He was one of that stretch of 2nd rounders who got weird offer sheets right at the end of the Linsanity era.
Retired early due to hip Labrum tear.. was a scout for the Spurs then worked his way up to GM of their G-League affiliate, then Hawks Asst GM.
The major problem with the idea that Ainge planned this for months and left of his own accord (and was succeeded by Stevens) is that people want H3adz!I already responded to this and I want to add, I listened to the Russillo pod....and he clearly has no inside information or really anything of substance about Ainge.
He just said that “apparently he’s friends with the Jazz owner and could get a promotion and bring Austin with him”...or basically bullshit.
Mannix is normally plugged in so maybe he does go to the Jazz but I am now even more convinced that Ainge left in his own accord
1) Are they really kicking Zarren out? The guy's been touted as the next great GM for years.Ooooooh I’m intrigued by this one. It’s the type of young ex-player who can easily connect with today’s 20-somethings.
Have we learned nothing from Brad Pitt?2) You do not want your GM "easily connecting" with players. As already outlined above, a GM needs to be able to cut and trade guys ruthlessly. You can't do that if you've got close personal relationships with the players. Coaches are the ones who need to have those player relationships, not GMs.
This is the internet in a nutshell. Issue a hot take that is the opposite of factual. When presented with information that proves the hot take was nonsense, the hot taker doubles down and is like, “ok, I am clearly wrong but if you really think about it, I was actually right.”Wow, massive overlook on my part - thanks. Still think they need to push back on the turmoil created by KI and it's a perfect time to do the right thing.