Simple question: Of the QB's likely to be available, who would you pick, if you were Bill and all 3 were on the board when you are picking?
Fields taking the shot to the ribs in the Clemson playoff game and coming right back after 1 play and slinging it around is what sold me on Fields. Never really thought he'd be a possibility for the Pats at 15, but he's my dream pick this year. I admit to not knowing a ton about Lance, however.Fields.
I asked several friends around here in Georgia who are wired into high school and college football at various levels about Fields when he was up in Kennesaw and UGA and they all raved about the same two things: For all of his natural ability, he's (a) tough as nails both physically and emotionally, and (b) he's incredibly smart. They can't believe that he's not the consensus #2 overall pick and think that the Jets are making an enormous mistake passing on him.
Fields.
I asked several friends around here in Georgia who are wired into high school and college football at various levels about Fields when he was up in Kennesaw and UGA and they all raved about the same two things: For all of his natural ability, he's (a) tough as nails both physically and emotionally, and (b) he's incredibly smart. They can't believe that he's not the consensus #2 overall pick and think that the Jets are making an enormous mistake passing on him.
At various times, I've been on the Mac Jones and Trey Lance bandwagons, but that's really only because I never once thought that Fields would be in striking distance for the Pats - I was sure that he'd go in the top 3. Now that he has inexplicably fallen possibly out of the top 5? I'd empty the draft pick tank for him.
I love these two data points. The other one that convinces me about Fields is the fact the opposite of what the talking heads were opining this morning on ESPN "Get Up" about why he is presumably dropping, namely that something must be wrong if he had those shitty games against IU and that he couldn't win the starting job at UGa -- I think those "failures" say more about his ability to overcome adversity and to bounce back, then just a long line of successes. How does any player do when faced with a challenge? We've seen Fields overcome. That clinches it for me.Fields taking the shot to the ribs in the Clemson playoff game and coming right back after 1 play and slinging it around is what sold me on Fields. Never really thought he'd be a possibility for the Pats at 15, but he's my dream pick this year. I admit to not knowing a ton about Lance, however.
Also, you can just call Kirby Smart if you want to better understand that decision. I guess he could bullshit you, but part of the job is gauging the reliability of the info you get, too.Not winning the starting job at UGA means less than zero to me. Joe Burrow couldn't beat out Dwayne Haskins at OSU. Who cares?
dittoI voted Fields, but would be happy with Lance. And wouldn't even mind Jones if we don't have to move up.
Lance here too. Not an anti Fields pick. I just truly think Lance is going to be special.Ohio State guy checking in... Lance.
I'd have Wilson on par with Lance, both ahead of McCorkle, but a tier below Fields.It's interesting...I wonder if Zach Wilson would get many votes if he was added. Like if for some inexplicable reason the Jets traded us 2.
I'm guessing "no" since it's been a done deal that he's going to the Jets for so long so everyone has already talked themselves out of him.
I have him 4th, but I definitely think he's right in that same tier with Fields/Lance.
I'm really curious as to why. Is there anything in what you've seen from Fields that gives you doubts?Ohio State guy checking in... Lance.
I posted this before, but my only hesitation to a full-blown Justin Fields mancrush is what happened at Georgia. Fields couldn't beat out Jake Fromm for the starting job, so he left. Of course he did great in Columbus, but Ohio State is a football factory. That team was absolutely stacked. Fields also struggled in the Northwestern game when his #1 target Chris Olave was out because of COVID protocol.I'm really curious as to why. Is there anything in what you've seen from Fields that gives you doubts?
Every throw looks like thisI'm really curious as to why. Is there anything in what you've seen from Fields that gives you doubts?
And Garrett Richard's going into Tuesday night's game.They said the same things about Mahomes's mechanics coming out of college.
Fields struggled against a top 20 ranked team.I posted this before, but my only hesitation to a full-blown Justin Fields mancrush is what happened at Georgia. Fields couldn't beat out Jake Fromm for the starting job, so he left. Of course he did great in Columbus, but Ohio State is a football factory. That team was absolutely stacked. Fields also struggled in the Northwestern game when his #1 target Chris Olave was out because of COVID protocol.
Plus, I think Lance has a chance to be transcendent. I'd love to take a big swing with him.
He's definitely a wild card and it probably will be feast or famine. I like to gamble, which is why I have the Lance lean.Lance's only game of 2020, he struggled against Central Arkansas.
I agree.I voted Fields, but would be happy with Lance. And wouldn't even mind Jones if we don't have to move up.
Thank you for that.And Garrett Richard's going into Tuesday night's game.
Right on with this but I think the Niners are blowing smoke and are on Lance. If we ever get Lance I will pop a bottle of my prized Pappy Von Winkle and if we get Fields we get a wee dram of Lagavulin 16. If we get Jones I'm popping a Coors LiteI’m all in on Lance, but would be ecstatic with Fields as well.
"isn't even top 2 at his position in the draft".... But what if, say, guy #3 is at the most important position in the sport, and it just so happens that your team has a gaping hole/need at that position, and guy #3 is actually one of the best QB prospects in years (who just happens to be in a STACKED draft class at that position)?I'm never going to be excited about using a high pick on a guy who isn't even top 2 at his position in the draft. BPA, all day, every day.
Yeah fuck drafting Watson as the 3rd QB or Jackson as the 5thI'm never going to be excited about using a high pick on a guy who isn't even top 2 at his position in the draft. BPA, all day, every day.
Banking on that working is really playing the odds well.Yeah fuck drafting Watson as the 3rd QB or Jackson as the 5th
See this is silly for several reasons:I'm never going to be excited about using a high pick on a guy who isn't even top 2 at his position in the draft. BPA, all day, every day.
If Belichick's #1 QB is available when they pick, then a) he's going to take that guy, and b) I will certainly trust him.See this is silly for several reasons:
1. That a guy goes 3rd or 4th or even 5th at his position doesn't mean he wasn't the best or 2nd best player at his position (see the Mahomes/Watson draft, or the Allen/Jackson draft)
2. QB is the most valuable position on a team by such a huge margin that a league average starter on a rookie deal is worth more than a top 5 player at any other position.
But you are missing the fact that Slater and Sewell will be gone, so that is OT #3 (Darrisaw or AVT or whoever). Then Horn and Surtain will be gone, so Farley / Newsome is CB 3/4. And then Waddle and Chase will be gone, so Smith is WR3. And Parsons may be gone, so Collins is ILB2. Maybe the only player they could pick who could be #1 at his position is Barmore (or a safety - LOL). Or I guess an edge (Paye?).If Belichick's #1 QB is available when they pick, then a) he's going to take that guy, and b) I will certainly trust him.
The odds of that happening are not high, I don't expect it to happen, and Belichick isn't passing on a CB or OT who he has as the best player at their position in the draft to take a leftover QB.
The people expecting the Pats to take Fields or Lance are probably going to be disappointed in a few hours.
We'll have to see it all play out. I won't be surprised to see them move up to get the tackle or corner they like the most.But you are missing the fact that Slater and Sewell will be gone, so that is OT #3 (Darrisaw or AVT or whoever). Then Horn and Surtain will be gone, so Farley / Newsome is CB 3/4. And then Waddle and Chase will be gone, so Smith is WR3. And Parsons may be gone, so Collins is ILB2. Maybe the only player they could pick who could be #1 at his position is Barmore (or a safety - LOL). Or I guess an edge (Paye?).
I mean, yes. So to kill time--what's our offer that beats the purported SF offer?Well now I want Rodgers.