Vuc at the deadline?https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html
If anyone wants to see who would fit under that, Basketball Reference has a list of players by salary.
Signed for 2 more years after this one. I'd pass.Vuc at the deadline?
Besides, who was the last player they drafted in round two that became a significant contributor? Big baby?they can always buy 2nd rounders or sign an undrafted rookie.
As a long-time LA watcher (I used to smoke a j and go get $10 upper deck seats at UT), he is a wonderfully skilled player who never seems to come through in the clutch. The ultimate leaves-you-wanting-more guy.The first guy that comes to mind to use the TPE to acquire is Aldridge. If Danny could pull that off, it would be a hell of an upgrade.
Fournier is the only even remotely attractive player on that list. Far more likely that they wait until summer and make a sign & trade transaction for someone.Aldridge, Porter, Gobert and Fournier look like the obvious ones to me. One year deals at or below the TPE. In one way or another, each could help this roster-- on the surface anyway.
What assets we have to make a deal is another story.
They weren’t alone in that given that when they called around to find out if anyone was interested in MT the answer they got was “Sure, how many first round picks are you giving us to take that turkey deal?”I'm a Turner fan, but apparently the Celtics aren't.
Yeah, and that's probably true. But I don't take those reports as a given.They weren’t alone in that given that when they called around to find out if anyone was interested in MT the answer they got was “Sure, how many first round picks are you giving us to take that turkey deal?”
So true...the rumor mill will be en fuego!It's going to be fun having a year where almost every fake trade works without checking.
He’s a limited player that has some use. But no one wants to pay 3/54 for that skill set.Yeah, and that's probably true. But I don't take those reports as a given.
Yes and no, you can’t bundle Romeo with the TPE and combine the salaries. However, if they trade for a player making $28 million that team gains a TPE that Langford can be traded into.So true...the rumor mill will be en fuego!
I think you can’t put another player in a trade with a TPE, so it’s too bad we didn’t have this ammo along with all those draft picks, it will be interesting to see what comes of it
Interesting, thanks for highlighting this scenarioYes and no, you can’t bundle Romeo with the TPE and combine the salaries. However, if they trade for a player making $28 million that team gains a TPE that Langford can be traded into.
There's really no reason for Charlotte to not do this. They get a couple of free 2nd round picks out of the deal that could come in handy in the future. And if Kupchak doesn't play ball, it could make it harder for him to get a GM job at a different franchise once MJ decides it's time to move on.I don't get why CHA does this. Yes, last year, BOS did something similar in signing and trading Rozier. But creating a huge TPE for a championship contender is far different than giving a smaller one to the lowly Hornets
Also, HOU just bought a 2nd round pick for $4.6M, so second round picks have a monetary value. If used correctly (fat chance of that), CHA should be able to get something out of it. As opposed to nothing if they decline.There's really no reason for Charlotte to not do this. They get a couple of free 2nd round picks out of the deal that could come in handy in the future. And if Kupchak doesn't play ball, it could make it harder for him to get a GM job at a different franchise once MJ decides it's time to move on.
SemiBesides, who was the last player they drafted in round two that became a significant contributor? Big baby?
yea, but that was done with other stuff like the Wood S&T and Kennard deal...so a 2nd, by itself, wouldn't go for $4.6MMAlso, HOU just bought a 2nd round pick for $4.6M, so second round picks have a monetary value. If used correctly (fat chance of that), CHA should be able to get something out of it. As opposed to nothing if they decline.
yeah not saying that the picks could be sold for $4.6M but just saying that there are teams that buy 2nd round picks so the picks have some value. CHA would be dumb to turn down that value and refuse doing a S&T. Even dumber than Hollinger points out.yea, but that was done with other stuff like the Wood S&T and Kennard deal...so a 2nd, by itself, wouldn't go for $4.6MM
and then that team that traded the $28MM player opens up salary and gains a TPE (-Langford's salary) that re-starts the clock on the Celtic TPEYes and no, you can’t bundle Romeo with the TPE and combine the salaries. However, if they trade for a player making $28 million that team gains a TPE that Langford can be traded into.
agreed, the Hornets would be silly not to do this.yeah not saying that the picks could be sold for $4.6M but just saying that there are teams that buy 2nd round picks so the picks have some value. CHA would be dumb to turn down that value and refuse doing a S&T. Even dumber than Hollinger points out.
$4.6 million is unlikely, but for example the Warriors paid $3.5 million for a second round pick a few years ago to grab Jordan Bell as another example, those kind of deals happen from time to time.yea, but that was done with other stuff like the Wood S&T and Kennard deal...so a 2nd, by itself, wouldn't go for $4.6MM
I recall that but didn't realize it was $3.5MM.$4.6 million is unlikely, but for example the Warriors paid $3.5 million for a second round pick a few years ago to grab Jordan Bell as another example, those kind of deals happen from time to time.
This stuff is beyond my pay grade. How many pieces can you split the exception into?Tax-wise there’s a bunch of benefit to using only half the exception in season isn’t there? That still leaves a move next summer.
As many as you want.This stuff is beyond my pay grade. How many pieces can you split the exception into?
It all depends on how many other GMs Danny murders.This stuff is beyond my pay grade. How many pieces can you split the exception into?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/28/sports/pacers-wanted-land-gordon-hayward-celtics-asking-price-was-too-high/Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge wanted Myles Turner, according to NBA sources, but he also wanted Victor Oladipo or T.J. Warren to complete the deal. Pritchard balked at that demand.
What casual observers have tended to ignore is Hayward needed to agree to such a deal. If he didn’t, there would be no deal because he had opted out of the final year of his contract and was officially a free agent. While Hayward wanted to go home to Indiana, the Pacers would have had to agree to pay Hayward in the neighborhood of what the Hornets offered.
If the Pacers would have packaged Turner ($18 million) and Warren ($12 million), and the Celtics then signed Hayward to a four-year package at $30 million annually, the trade would have fit perfectly. The Pacers did not agree to such a deal.
$4.6M is a lot. GSW bought ATL's #41 pick in 2019 for $1.3M and a 2024 2nd round pick. https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2019/6/20/18692879/2019-nba-draft-warriors-hawks-second-round-pickSo I stand corrected Wade, $4.6MM for a 2nd probably isn't out of the question
Funniest two quotes from the article. Other than one hand, Pritchard says:Pacers didn’t want to match the 4-120 from Charlotte, so the deal fell through.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/28/sports/pacers-wanted-land-gordon-hayward-celtics-asking-price-was-too-high/
That's one of the two benefits. The other potential one, which I think we don't have total clarity on yet, is whether the short-term adjustment to the luxury tax to address reduced BRI will make lux tax this year cheaper than "normal" tax years. That ties into how they are thinking about repeater tax, etc. as well.As many as you want.
The TPE is just a cap credit, you can take player into it until you hit the amount of it.
I don't know that there is a massive benefit tax-wise to splitting it. BUT, there is the idea that you probably aren't adding a $28M player long term given the Tatum super-max, Kemba max and Jaylen near max. So there might be an incentive to use part of it this year for an MLE or lower level role player (Bjelica, Rose, etc.) on a 1 year deal, then go into the summer hunting for a $15-20M player you want to add longer-term.
I understand why Pritchard wouldn't do Warren or Oladipo with Turner for Hayward. I do think it'll be interesting to see what happens with those three guys this year, because I also think it's possible he'll end up worse off. Turner's value is more likely to decline than hold steady given Sabonis, and Oladipo is a total wildcard. Warren's value is IMO at an all-time high, but some may be more believers in his step up.Funniest two quotes from the article. Other than one hand, Pritchard says:
“Yes, we pursued. It didn’t work out. If you can add a player that materially improves you, you have to take a shot. And we’re not afraid to take a shot. It hurt a little bit more this time because the feedback was that he wanted to be here. We were probably overpaying in the trade, but we were willing to try to get a special player.” But on the other, he says:
“We’re going to try to improve the roster,” Pritchard said. “But it can’t come at a cost that’s so debilitating that it doesn’t make sense. We felt like we’ve got a lot of very good players on the team and plans to stand pat was a very good plan. There will be a time where there’s turnover. But unless it made us materially better, like a no-brainer trade where were going after an A-list star, we were going to do that. Other than that, it had to be a complete no-brainer.” So he only wanted to do a "no-brainer" trade where he got an "A-list star" but he was willing to "overpay" for GH because he's a "special player"?
If Gobert is a pipedream...https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html
If anyone wants to see who would fit under that, Basketball Reference has a list of players by salary.
Deyonta Davis and Rade Zagorac are about to become a huge contributor for Boston.Besides, who was the last player they drafted in round two that became a significant contributor? Big baby?
Yes, but this dude's first tweet when Batum was waived was something like "Uh oh" so him talking smack to others when he clearly was confused about what the Batum waiver meant is funny.
You wouldn't want to split it into more than seven pieces, or you end up looking like Voldemort.This stuff is beyond my pay grade. How many pieces can you split the exception into?
Yes, this could be the move which ends up knocking Charlotte out of the ECF!I don't get why CHA does this. Yes, last year, BOS did something similar in signing and trading Rozier. But creating a huge TPE for a championship contender is far different than giving a smaller one to the lowly Hornets
Turner’s value was already negative given his limited game. He’ll probably log a lot of time this year with the compressed schedule, but the Pacers are still going to have to pay the Knicks to take the contract.I understand why Pritchard wouldn't do Warren or Oladipo with Turner for Hayward. I do think it'll be interesting to see what happens with those three guys this year, because I also think it's possible he'll end up worse off. Turner's value is more likely to decline than hold steady given Sabonis, and Oladipo is a total wildcard. Warren's value is IMO at an all-time high, but some may be more believers in his step up.
Then again, I wouldn't want the last year or two of GH's deal either, so while I don't like Pritchard he is not being nuts to make the choices he did here. Basically,Charlotte made it tough
I'm not saying Pritchard's nuts for not trading for GH - unless he had made some kind of promise to GH's agent, abut that we will never know.I understand why Pritchard wouldn't do Warren or Oladipo with Turner for Hayward. I do think it'll be interesting to see what happens with those three guys this year, because I also think it's possible he'll end up worse off. Turner's value is more likely to decline than hold steady given Sabonis, and Oladipo is a total wildcard. Warren's value is IMO at an all-time high, but some may be more believers in his step up.
Then again, I wouldn't want the last year or two of GH's deal either, so while I don't like Pritchard he is not being nuts to make the choices he did here. Basically,Charlotte made it tough
So, based on everything else, I read that not as Ainge "wanted" Turner, but that he'd only take him if we got Warren or Oladipo.Pacers didn’t want to match the 4-120 from Charlotte, so the deal fell through.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/28/sports/pacers-wanted-land-gordon-hayward-celtics-asking-price-was-too-high/
Ainge (& the rest of the NBA) clearly didn't "want" Turner.So, based on everything else, I read that not as Ainge "wanted" Turner, but that he'd only take him if we got Warren or Oladipo.
I’ve done some googling and am intrigued. Can you tell me everything I need to know about Janos? Aside from “is Janos”?Danny...err...Janos has spoken on the move
View: https://twitter.com/isjanosnba/status/1333195673500467203?s=21
Janos is a legend in "Celtics Twitter". Apparently it's not really Danny because there are message board references going back almost a decade I think, but that's the most popular rumor. Whoever they are, I find them hilarious and they generally tweet during and after big games or events. Their favorite things in the world, other than the Celtics, are whiskey, soup, and Rondo.I’ve done some googling and am intrigued. Can you tell me everything I need to know about Janos? Aside from “is Janos”?