Wow, what a clown show. Who cares whose fault it was? You don’t single players out in the media like that if you want to maintain any semblance of positive relationship.
Wow, what a clown show. Who cares whose fault it was? You don’t single players out in the media like that if you want to maintain any semblance of positive relationship.
I did not think calling out a player after a game could get worse, but it can and it hilarious.
But wait, isn't he 85th all time in wins?Wow, what a clown show. Who cares whose fault it was? You don’t single players out in the media like that if you want to maintain any semblance of positive relationship.
Yep.I would love to have asked Brady 10 questions about BB before this season and then the same 10 questions after it.
Wow. Coaching was great, just poor execution. Try not to hurt yourself patting yourself on the back after a loss.
Yikes. Break out the Sartre.
Dude, really? You assumed a player could somehow signal while running his route what he was going to do, like, I don't know, with hand signals, so pardon us if your takes get some pushback.But wait, isn't he 85th all time in wins?
I’m expecting they’ll handle Carolina but if they don’t or go 0-3 or 0-4, this thing will unravel quickly, IMO.So how many more weeks until we hear from a reporter “sources close to Brady want Ariens Fired”
I say 2 weeks max.
Yup. And I think it is this. I don’t care how pliable Brady is. 43 is 43 and he’s slowing down. I hope the Bucs are prepared for the volatility in his performance. And if his physical skills declined precipitously beyond his control, that’ll only frustrate him more.Isn't is all possible that it has boiled down to the fact that Brady is 43 years old? No one, and certainly not Arians, can fix a player who is losing it. It was one game, against one of the best teams in the league, so maybe he will bounce back and have a decent year ....or ....maybe the obvious decline in skills he exhibited last year will accelerate this year? If that's the case, it won't be pretty.
That's also calling out a guy on the Saints.At least his name isn't Donovan Smith!
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Look, I don't disagree with most of what you are saying. It just seemed to me that on a timing play like that, if I see the safety coming over the top, I'm either going to quickly hook around and establish eye contact with my QB, or haul ass to help break up the pick. Evans just kinda gave up.Dude, really? You assumed a player could somehow signal while running his route what he was going to do, like, I don't know, with hand signals, so pardon us if your takes get some pushback.
I think I watched every down of TB's Patriots career, this is not a trait of his that comes to mind when thinking about his play at all. It is pretty much a signature of the Arians system, however.the tendency to throw it to the other team in big spots sometimes by trying to make a play
he has thrown a pick 6 in each of his last 3 games. You can't blame it all on him being 43, but my dad always used to say. "Getting old sucks"I think I watched every down of TB's Patriots career, this is not a trait of his that comes to mind when thinking about his play at all. It is pretty much a signature of the Arians system, however.
I thought his deep ball looked really good yesterday. It was the shorter stuff he had trouble with. They also couldn't run the ball worth a damn.That grit and determination quote is straight-up embarrassing. I said it at the time and I'll stick by it that TB is a bad fit for the Arians' offense. To me, it just doesn't look like he has the touch, accuracy, or power to lay out a deep ball that his receivers catch in stride, and at best it's gonna be a Flacco ball. Perhaps there's an internal struggle regarding the gameplan and play-calling between TB, Arians, and Leftwich. The early part of the game looked much more like a TB/NE offense and later in the game the deep balls came out. "Everything we did we thought we were ready for." kinda sounds like a pissy answer from a coach who let the QB do things his way with bad results.
Fair enough, I definitely agree that age probably has more to do with his current level of performance than anything else. But, I was responding to the idea that one of his "faults and weaknesses" that we're all "very familiar with" is his penchant for interceptions in big games/big spots. I don't think that is a Tom Brady issue. I think the idea that yesterday was just a run of the mill rough early season game for Brady is absurd. His play has declined and he is not in an ideal system for his skills. I think that will continue to be an issue for Tampa.he has thrown a pick 6 in each of his last 3 games. You can't blame it all on him being 43, but my dad always used to say. "Getting old sucks"
I agree with you 100%. I also think that as much as BB drove him crazy, he probably is shaking his head at the lack of accountability and preparation he sees with the Bucs. I've watched way too much TB football over they years. What you saw yesterday was pretty much par for the course. They will win their fair share of games, because they do have legit talent on both sides of the ball, but they are just a poorly coached team. It's been that way with the past several regimes....Fair enough, I definitely agree that age probably has more to do with his current level of performance than anything else. But, I was responding to the idea that one of his "faults and weaknesses" that we're all "very familiar with" is his penchant for interceptions in big games/big spots. I don't think that is a Tom Brady issue. I think the idea that yesterday was just a run of the mill rough early season game for Brady is absurd. His play has declined and he is not in an ideal system for his skills. I think that will continue to be an issue for Tampa.
He's played in a lot of big games so maybe that has the tendency to make it only seem that way. I guess you only get a chance to throw 35 playoff interceptions if you've been to the playoffs a lot. But some of them were huge. The one that jumps to mind is the one with four minutes left in Super Bowl 38. It's easily forgotten because of the fireworks that came next but that easily could have been a championship losing play.I think I watched every down of TB's Patriots career, this is not a trait of his that comes to mind when thinking about his play at all. It is pretty much a signature of the Arians system, however.
I said it in the context of actually saying the opposite of how I think that it is coming across. It was in the context of saying that I think you can easily look at some of his plays like yesterday and emphasize them if you want to write his obituary like some seem to be doing here. The Atlanta Super Bowl pick, the second pick in the Chiefs AFCCG (and what could have been the third), and some of the other picks -- they would have stood out much more if he hadn't subsequently authored some unbelievable greatness.I can't believe that anyone who has watched Brady's career thinks of "forces the ball in big moments". That is literally incomprehensible to me.
All due respect SSF, but I think that's just going to create cross-posting, etc.Dear BBtL, please post non-gameday thoughts and analysis over on the new TB thread for clear skin and healthy circulation. Thank you.
Thanks for the clarification, that makes sense.I said it in the context of actually saying the opposite of how I think that it is coming across. It was in the context of saying that I think you can easily look at some of his plays like yesterday and emphasize them if you want to write his obituary like some seem to be doing here. The Atlanta Super Bowl pick, the second pick in the Chiefs AFCCG (and what could have been the third), and some of the other picks -- they would have stood out much more if he hadn't subsequently authored some unbelievable greatness.
So, before the thread spins out of control on the suggestion that I don't think Brady is the all time greatest QB and specifically the all time best clutch football player ever, he is. My point is that yesterday displays some stuff that's not all that unusual and from which he has pretty much always recovered. But if you're looking at it in a very small sample size you can be misled. That was my point.
And he couples that macho grandstanding bullshit with a really bad feel for when to throw a challenge, shaky clock management, and a penchant antagonizing the officials in postgame pressers.I 100% knew this would happen with Arians. He is an obnoxious, off-the-cuff alpha male who thinks he knows more than anyone else. Reminds me of Ditka, but with way less football intellect. It’s like Tom Brady being coached by Fireman Ed.
Otherwise we're not going to have a separately named "game day" thread, as folks wanted yesterday.All due respect SSF, but I think that's just going to create cross-posting, etc.
Yeah I hear that. Today, this thread has been a mixed bag of "real" and game thread type posts. We were reacting to Arians' press conference as it happened, so there's some valid game thready-ness to it. The only solution to prevent cross posting might be to lock the game thread during the week, or create a new one each week. But there's naturally going to be a good deal of drive by posting given the subject, as much as we try to avoid that here.Otherwise we're not going to have a separately named "game day" thread, as folks wanted yesterday.
Folks, quickly post your thoughts below.
"Sources say Brady would welcome a reunion with his former offensive coordinator..."So how many more weeks until we hear from a reporter “sources close to Brady want Ariens Fired”
I say 2 weeks max.
Agreed.I'd make it all one big megathread of Tompa Bay.
This is still a Boston sports board. Tom is no longer in Boston. It's a tricky situation, but one thread feels like enough for Tompa.
+1I'd make it all one big megathread of Tompa Bay.
This is still a Boston sports board. Tom is no longer in Boston. It's a tricky situation, but one thread feels like enough for Tompa.
Agreed. I think one thread to contain everything is fine and helpful.I'd make it all one big megathread of Tompa Bay.
This is still a Boston sports board. Tom is no longer in Boston. It's a tricky situation, but one thread feels like enough for Tompa.