Yeah, he’s basically Bledsoe if Bledsoe were even more careless and a terrible human being. Never say never but this one feels incredibly unlikely.Winston feels like the opposite of what I would expect Belichick to look for in a QB
There’s only so many starting jobs, and teams are only willing to spend so much on a backup. If the Pats wait for the market to shake out, there will be one or two veterans available who won’t have better options than coming to New England on a one-year deal for “top dollar for a backup” money with a chance to compete for the starting job. Ryan Tannehill’s megadeal will only make this approach more appealing.The Patriots definitely love having competition, but with the salaries the veteran QBs are getting, it's really hard to imagine there's a good fit out there. I don't see the Patriots trading draft capital for anyone, and then it seems like absolutely everyone is getting >$15 million/year. How would it make sense to pay somebody >$15 million a year if they could end up being Stidham's back-up? Is there anyone out there that would be in the $5 million range? If not, I think they just draft a QB or two to compete with Stidham.
What free agents are still available? Are you also thinking that additional QBs will be cut?There’s only so many starting jobs, and teams are only willing to spend so much on a backup. If the Pats wait for the market to shake out, there will be one or two veterans available who won’t have better options than coming to New England on a one-year deal for “top dollar for a backup” money with a chance to compete for the starting job.
Dalton will be cut. Newton will be cut if he isn’t dealt. They’re both behind Winston and Brissett in line for open starting jobs. And the landing spots are limited — besides the Chargers, and maybe the Dolphins/Bears/Panthers (at least one of which won’t jump imo), who is going to drop $20 million on a non-star QB?What free agents are still available? Are you also thinking that additional QBs will be cut?
Can we call him JS4?I, for one, welcome our new Stidham overlord.
1 year 21 million is manageable if they traded away a high-priced asset like Thuney. I doubt this happens but it could be done financially speaking. Now, whether he warrants an extension beyond that would depend entirely on health, but he is available for a reason so I would not assume he would be a top-paid QB. He is a risky low-end Qb1 right now but with massive name recognition and an MVP.They have no money for someone like Cam Newton who will still want to be paid. I would rather roll with Stidham over a declining Cam Newton.
I think they would still cut him in that situation since he has only $2 m in dead money. So they save $18m on the cap by cutting him. They save the same amount by trading him, but would not take on salary I suspect.I can't remember, in the NFL do teams send money along with a player? So, would TB be looking for someone to trade for Newton and offer to pay some of his salary, or do they just have to cut him (since I assume not all of it is guaranteed)
ESPN reported yesterday that the Panthers gave Newton permission to try to work out a trade, and he took offense that it made it look like he wanted out. Certainly sounds like the Panthers decided there was no market for Cam unless he’d agree to rework his contract, and that they’re going to cut him unless he can make that happen.I think they would still cut him in that situation since he has only $2 m in dead money. So they save $18m on the cap by cutting him. They save the same amount by trading him, but would not take on salary I suspect.
Joe Burrow in going #1 to the Bengals. Tua is going to Miami 5th (unless there is a trade to take him higher). Justin Herbert is probably 3rd off the board, hard to say how high (maybe 6 to San Diego?). Think Josh Allen (Buffalo) for the type of style/comparison. Jordan Love is likely 4th, and bit of a wild card. He's been compared to Mahommes, but that's very generous. Had a terrible season where his coach left and his surrounding talent was bad. But his ceiling is high. Love could be around at #23, or close to it. Major boom or bust potential. Nick Eason is probably next, big QB with a rocket arm but very inconsistent, raw and a project. He should be around at #23, but lot of question marks with him. For potential Day 2 picks, Jake Fromm (limited game manager but all the intangibles) and Jalen Hurts (in the Dak Prescott mold) could be targets.Personally I do not follow college football very closely. Does anyone have any insight/thoughts regarding the top QB's in the draft, and how high the Patriots would need to trade up in order to get one?
#12 is available.Can we call him JS4?
Again, Winston was terrible with incredible offensive weapons. Plus, he had A credible rape accusation levied against him in college and a sexual assault allegation he settled out of court just 2 years ago. Keep him away from the Patriots, please.Winston is only 26, if you can get him cheap (he’s currently looking at being a backup) he’s a high risk high reward play. See what McDaniels can do with him. Plus, imagine the heads that would explode if Winston/Pats have a better year than Brady/Bucs.
I can buy Tyrod as the starter now, I can buy Tyrod as the starter Week 1; I'm not buying him starting Week 9. Chargers pick sixth, likely grab whoever of Tua / Herbert Miami passes on at 5.It's been reported that the Chargers are going with Tyrod Taylor, so perhaps they are not a question mark.
Yes--but I think they were speaking of vets available and spots open for them. If the report is true, I don't think the Chargers are one of them.I can buy Tyrod as the starter now, I can buy Tyrod as the starter Week 1; I'm not buying him starting Week 9. Chargers pick sixth, likely grab whoever of Tua / Herbert Miami passes on at 5.
Off the field issues are a concern, but he was not "terrible" he was insanely turnover prone but that balanced out some with throwing TDs, throwing down the field etc. He probably had similar overall value to Brady last season, just in a very different way. He had good weapons (really just Godwin and Evans, the rest of that team isn't great) but also a much worse offensive line than the Patriots. I wouldn't want him for off-field reasons, but in terms of performance he wasn't that bad, he threw a ton of picks, but the flip side is if he'd thrown 10 fewer picks we'd probably be talking about him as having been at least a top 10 QB.Again, Winston was terrible with incredible offensive weapons. Plus, he had A credible rape accusation levied against him in college and a sexual assault allegation he settled out of court just 2 years ago. Keep him away from the Patriots, please.
His rating last year was 84.3. His best rating is sub 93. The 5,000+ yards were nice, but he threw 30 picks. That’s more than Brady’s last 4 years combined.Off the field issues are a concern, but he was not "terrible" he was insanely turnover prone but that balanced out some with throwing TDs, throwing down the field etc. He probably had similar overall value to Brady last season, just in a very different way. He had good weapons (really just Godwin and Evans, the rest of that team isn't great) but also a much worse offensive line than the Patriots. I wouldn't want him for off-field reasons, but in terms of performance he wasn't that bad, he threw a ton of picks, but the flip side is if he'd thrown 10 fewer picks we'd probably be talking about him as having been at least a top 10 QB.
Good enough for Eli to make the HoF...His rating last year was 84.3. His best rating is sub 93. The 5,000+ yards were nice, but he threw 30 picks. That’s more than Brady’s last 4 years combined.
Well, hopefully if we sign Winston he beats Brady in the next two SBs.Good enough for Eli to make the HoF...
Yeah, he throws a ton of picks.His rating last year was 84.3. His best rating is sub 93. The 5,000+ yards were nice, but he threw 30 picks. That’s more than Brady’s last 4 years combined.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htmYeah, he throws a ton of picks.
The point was more that given the overall package of what he brings (high y/a and ny/a a high TD%, decent Comp%), you could argue that he hasn't been significantly less productive than what Brady is over the last 2 years. and that is a league average or slightly below QB. If you think you can drop his INT % to something closer to his 2017 season with scheme and better protection.... well then you have a top half of the league QB.
I don't know that I want Jameis for various reasons, but he wasn't "terrible" by any stretch, he wasn't one of the worst 5 starters in the league last year or even close to it. He's a flawed player and you have to build around his flaws but he wasn't "terrible".
Again, Winston was terrible with incredible offensive weapons. Plus, he had A credible rape accusation levied against him in college and a sexual assault allegation he settled out of court just 2 years ago. Keep him away from the Patriots, please.
I kind of ... agree with both of you? I think Jameis has been terrible, but I think he's more interesting than a lot of other options because he does do some things well and if you can get those INTs down, he's useful. That's the kind of mentality that kills coaches, probably. But I'd rather take a gunslinger and try to curb his recklessness than take a Mariota and try to get him to make more plays, even if the latter is maybe a better player.Yeah, he throws a ton of picks.
The point was more that given the overall package of what he brings (high y/a and ny/a a high TD%, decent Comp%), you could argue that he hasn't been significantly less productive than what Brady is over the last 2 years. and that is a league average or slightly below QB. If you think you can drop his INT % to something closer to his 2017 season with scheme and better protection.... well then you have a top half of the league QB.
I don't know that I want Jameis for various reasons, but he wasn't "terrible" by any stretch, he wasn't one of the worst 5 starters in the league last year or even close to it. He's a flawed player and you have to build around his flaws but he wasn't "terrible".
So think about the fact that a dude that threw 22 more INTs than Brady did had a rating only 4 points lower.His rating last year was 84.3. His best rating is sub 93. The 5,000+ yards were nice, but he threw 30 picks. That’s more than Brady’s last 4 years combined.
It’s really quite true. Jackson Mahomes Wilson Rodgers Brady were not top 10 picks. Jimmy. That’s 6 out of 32 that I thought of in less than 5 secondsIf you look at the best QBs in the league, I don't think they actually tend to be high draft picks (or at least they don't become successful QBs with the teams that drafted them). So, I'm okay with the Pats taking somebody in the 3rd round + to compete with Stidham. If they find a veteran QB CHEAP, all the better. But, I'm not into paying some retread $21million. I'd rather use that cap money on other parts of the team.
Now the question then becomes.... what impact does stepping into a good team with good coaches/GMs/Owners do for a QB. Top drafted QBs are by definition stepping into teams that were bad. Often those teams were bad not just because the players were bad, but because the whole system is bad. The players listed above all came to teams that have consistently good ownership/management/coaching situations.It’s really quite true. Jackson Mahomes Wilson Rodgers Brady were not top 10 picks. Jimmy. That’s 6 out of 32 that I thought of in less than 5 seconds
Edit Brees Dak Watson Cousins not super high picks. That’s a third of the league. And those are all very good QBs
What is his record with dual threat QBs? A camp flyer on Tebow? Signing 40-something Doug Flutie to be the third-stringer?I worry about BBs record trying to get "Dual threat" QBs. He seems much better at getting "Stand in the pocket" guys. Or better put Pocket Passers that can slide around if necessary. (Brady Obv, Briss, Grapp, Cass)
And with the NFL QB Soup du jour being dual threat guys.... That worries me.
Belichick inherited Bishop (he was drafted under the old regime in '99).Bishop and OConnell right?