I see two scenarios:The notion that the NFL is going through the process so that in the end it can take no action and say "we investigated and did not reach firm enough conclusions to act" seems plausible to me.
You meant "pre-contractual conduct" there?It does not matter. The conduct at issue occurred before AB signed the contract. One more time — you cannot void a contract based on post-contractual conduct unless you get a promise that the conduct did not occur and then show that the promise was violated.
Correct. Thanks for fixing this.You meant "pre-contractual conduct" there?
Yeah, my best prediction since I said Gronk was hall of fame bound in about September of his rookie year.I think he plays and plays a ton--like half the snaps or more. First it's a weak opponent so you can get away with a WR who doesn't quite now the offense. Second you want to start establishing the Brown/Brady connection asap. And third, it's kind of a message--both to the team and to the world at large--that the Pats are going to do what the Pats are going to do and they signed Brown so STFU media.
Not disputing any of this.Breer's interpretation is highly questionable and should not be relied upon for guidance.
There is nothing the Pats can do if Brown is on the Exempt list from a contract standpoint. That's the whole point of the exempt list: it's essentially a paid suspension. He would miss the NLTBE incentives. I believe the Pats could still cut him, but whether they would do that is unclear at this point.
Even if he ends up being suspended, it's not clear at all that the $9M in guarantees can be voided, as they have been paid out. I'm skeptical that Breer knows what he's talking about. The Pats couldn't get back the money they paid out to Hernandez.
View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1171780783717191680/photo/1It does not matter. The conduct at issue occurred before AB signed the contract. One more time — you cannot void a contract based on post-contractual conduct unless you get a promise that the conduct did not occur and then show that the promise was violated.
That’s a slightly dumbed down version, but that is the law. We’re not getting money back.
Edit — now if he were suspended, not Exempt List, but suspended — and that sticks, then no, he would not be entitled to be paid for games missed. But that is a different analysis.
That really has nothing to do with anything.Are you asking what her counter is? You already know the answer. It is: "he ejaculated on my back without consent while I was doing bible study and then he raped me. He also sent me aggressive repulsive texts."
I'm guessing the fact that Patriots fans on a Red Sox message board are skeptical is not really keeping her lawyers up at night.
And the joking around by the PBP announcers about AB’s feet.Scott Hanson (RedZone announcer) generally acknowledges off-field controversy (anthem protests, Ray Rice, et al.), acknowledging they are legitimate subjects of discussion before saying that he’s not going to say a word about them. But not a word about the AB controversy today — just an acknowledgment that people might be interested in seeing him debut for his new team.
Not many around here, I'd say. This thread is full of takes in the category of "I dunno, too hard to assess credibility, let's wait and see". If it turns out he did that stuff, we have very little emotional attachment to the guy, opinion on him will turn very quickly. Facts change, opinions change with 'em.Some people are going to be deeply embarrassed if the accusations against AB turn out to be credible. I’m not sure if this is reflective of how far we have to go in terms of #believewomen, or if people you’d expect to have better visibility than us to the particulars think the allegations will wither under scrutiny.
Yeah I haven’t really seen anyone here go all in on one theory or another. Obviously, we’re all hopeful that he’s exonerated but I haven’t noticed anyone really state a firm belief about his guilt or innocence.Not many around here, I'd say. This thread is full of takes in the category of "I dunno, too hard to assess credibility, let's wait and see". If it turns out he did that stuff, we have very little emotional attachment to the guy, opinion on him will turn very quickly. Facts change, opinions change with 'em.
Not sure how many people on the Patriots side or AB side would be embarrassed, either.
I trust in Shelter.Yeah, my best prediction since I said Gronk was hall of fame bound in about September of his rookie year.
I would wager that a better comparison is simply what NFL team people root for.I almost posted this on facebook but then though better of it. I suspect the cross section of people who think Antonio Brown must be suspened but Justice Kavanaugh should be on the Supreme Court is a pretty interesting group.
Love ya, jose but let's not go down that road on BBtL.I almost posted this on facebook but then though better of it. I suspect the cross section of people who think Antonio Brown must be suspened but Justice Kavanaugh should be on the Supreme Court is a pretty interesting group.
Yeah..... I now see there's a place in V&N. All, please ignore me here.Love ya, jose but let's not go down that road on BBtL.
I think you mean pre-contractual conduct. If this assault happened after the signing we'd be in an entirely different situation.It does not matter. The conduct at issue occurred before AB signed the contract. One more time — you cannot void a contract based on post-contractual conduct unless you get a promise that the conduct did not occur and then show that the promise was violated.
That’s a slightly dumbed down version, but that is the law. We’re not getting money back.
Edit — now if he were suspended, not Exempt List, but suspended — and that sticks, then no, he would not be entitled to be paid for games missed. But that is a different analysis.
Correct you are. ThanksI think you mean pre-contractual conduct. If this assault happened after the signing we'd be in an entirely different situation.
Shouldn't that be in the legal thread?As a few others have guessed, it appears his cousin is the unnamed player mentioned in the lawsuit.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/15/marquise-brown-is-the-unnamed-player-in-the-lawsuit-against-antonio-brown/
You might be right. My bad.Shouldn't that be in the legal thread?
After reading that article, I just don’t think he is worth the hassle. In reality, depending on what transpires in NY today, he may have played his last down for the Pats. He’s a mess.https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/16/antonio-brown-new-england-patriots-lawsuits-accusations-sexual-midconduct-assaultSobering MMQB profile of AB by Robert Klemko. Depressing. His stepfather was violent and abusive, still...
I'm not defending any behavior by Brown, because he sounds like a royal asshole, but the NFL will have like 1 franchise left if all the assholes are kicked out.https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/16/antonio-brown-new-england-patriots-lawsuits-accusations-sexual-midconduct-assaultSobering MMQB profile of AB by Robert Klemko. Depressing. His stepfather was violent and abusive, still...
Hey man---Goodell hates the Pats.There really isn’t much hassle if he’s showing up every day and working hard. It’s a league issue now.
We will see if Kraft and BB maintain that stance.There really isn’t much hassle if he’s showing up every day and working hard. It’s a league issue now.
Agreed. The NFL will handle these latest accusations. If they let him play, then Belichick will treat him like he treats all other players. If Brown acts out or otherwise doesn’t comply with the rules, he’s gone.There really isn’t much hassle if he’s showing up every day and working hard. It’s a league issue now.
The article does not move the needle for me. The bits about not paying the chefs and other alleged misconducts are not new. Other than actual criminal charges, I'm not sure if anything else about a player lessens my enthusiasm for the team.We will see if Kraft and BB maintain that stance.
Is that one of the KC Chefs? Great googly-moogly.Hey man---Goodell hates the Pats.
"I'm announcing today that Antonio Brown has been suspended 2 games for his failure to pay a chef."
If he can stay off the exempt list and not get suspended for any length of time then I assume he will make it through the season on the roster. Have no idea on how it will play out in NYC.The article does not move the needle for me. The bits about not paying the chefs and other alleged misconducts are not new. Other than actual criminal charges, I'm not sure if anything else about a player lessens my enthusiasm for the team.
I don't care about not paying chefs and various other incidents where he acted like a douchebag, I mean the guy is clearly a raging asshole but I don't need all of the players to be saints or even good people. However, his behavior towards women (and maybe his kids, hard to say) is another story. I don't know, I am totally not a "won't someone think of the children" guy at all, but I had a hard time figuring out what to say about AB to my 16 and 13 year old kids on Sunday watching the game other than we can't control who plays for the team. I still think I'd prefer him gone, I will have more fun rooting for the 2019 Pats without AB.The article does not move the needle for me. The bits about not paying the chefs and other alleged misconducts are not new. Other than actual criminal charges, I'm not sure if anything else about a player lessens my enthusiasm for the team.
I tend to agree with you regarding this article not changing what I already thought about the AB signing, but with all the arbitrary and largely unchecked power the league has in player discipline, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it moves the needle for them. Or at least tips them a little further in the exempt list/suspension direction. And I suspect they'll be more media stories portraying AB in a negative light. Partly because that's the just the nature of an evolving story like this, and partly because he obviously appears to be, at minimum, a very troubled and unstable guy.The article does not move the needle for me. The bits about not paying the chefs and other alleged misconducts are not new. Other than actual criminal charges, I'm not sure if anything else about a player lessens my enthusiasm for the team.
Poor Nancy Armour.
Isn’t it too late for that? She is interviewing with the NFL today. Even if he settles later in the week, they will have already heard her story and could use that as the basis to EL him.The only thing that will dictate the NFL moving is the media cry of how bad it is.
So the more these stories are written, the more likely he is put on exempt list.
NFL is always reactive to this.
It seems like the critical mass is starting to build enough that good ole Roger will probably be acting soon unless the accuser totally tanks her interview. We will know more once the NFL leaking machine has started up after her interview is concluded.
Independent of who is right or wrong, I think if AB wants to keep playing this year, he better re-start the settlement talks and figure out what the price is.
We will see if Kraft and BB maintain that stance.
Always keep in mind owners think of themselves first, and while public outcry can and has caused them to act, when it’s a situation they could easily see themselves in, it likely tempers them a lot. You think Jerry Jones or Robert Kraft want a civil lawsuit to force them to relinquish ownership?The only thing that will dictate the NFL moving is the media cry of how bad it is.
So the more these stories are written, the more likely he is put on exempt list.
NFL is always reactive to this.
It seems like the critical mass is starting to build enough that good ole Roger will probably be acting soon unless the accuser totally tanks her interview. We will know more once the NFL leaking machine has started up after her interview is concluded.
Independent of who is right or wrong, I think if AB wants to keep playing this year, he better re-start the settlement talks and figure out what the price is.
I disagree about Tomlin. I know he is popular whipping boy around here, but my read of that article is Tomlin's ability to get so much out of Ab before the wheels came off shows a strength of his coaching , not a weakness.True...but it also said he responds to authority figures. One hopes that he sees that in BB and Tom Brady. He clearly didn't see that in Tomlin's fake toughness or in Gruden's "rah rah" shit.
I hope it works for the sheer potential for football porn.
Maybe, but I thought the conventional wisdom is he let AB get away with a lot of stuff (that locker room Facebook live video, etc.) and AB felt empowered to act out.I disagree about Tomlin. I know he is popular whipping boy around here, but my read of that article is Tomlin's ability to get so much out of Ab before the wheels came off shows a strength of his coaching , not a weakness. I have simplistic view of Tomlin vs the Pats. Brady is a much better player than Big Ben.
If she settles with the normal confidentiality thing, the NFL will be fine as the PR hit will disappear as the sources will dry up.Isn’t it too late for that? She is interviewing with the NFL today. Even if he settles later in the week, they will have already heard her story and could use that as the basis to EL him.