Not much to choose from there. Bob Griese, Jim Plunkett, and Penguin Boy.He wouldn’t be close to the worst QB with two Super Bowl titles.
Nothing wrong with Kurt having 2. I like him. It was more my saying that deciding on a strategy to lay the wood to all Rams skill position players when the ball came anywhere near them was probably something no other coach does, and won the Pats the game. Instead of taking away 1 or 2 top offense guys, he took away them all.What would be wrong with Warner having two rings? He went to three Super Bowls, won one and could have won the other two. His path to the NFL was unusual so he doesn’t have the career numbers that other QBs have but at his peak he was the best in the game. He wouldn’t be close to the worst QB with two Super Bowl titles.
On the other hand, Summerall was *bad* that day.Madden gets a lot of grief for his saying that he thought the Pats should have kneeled on the ball and played for overtime and I wasn’t much of a fan of his. But in rewatching the game the other day I was struck that his commentary was spot on from the first frame of that broadcast.
Yup. That pathetic defense at the end of the first half pissed me off more than probably any other time in the playoffs during the BB/Brady era. It was so inexcusable.Re-watching the Pats Seahawks SB. Hard to believe Chris Matthews wasn't a bigger story that game. First NFL catch in the SB, ends up with over 100yds receiving and TD and would only total an additional 176 yds receiving in his career over 2 seasons. Talk about a nobody having a massive impact in the SB.
I found this from June 2016:I remember in the past year or two reading an article linked from here about how Tom Brady had personally delivered the most devestating loss in team history to about 1/4 of the league. Anyone else recollect that?
I think it might be safe to add the Chiefs to that list now, no?
I can confirm this. The vast majority of the fan base will put last year above the playoff loss to TEN 20 years ago when they were 14-2 and lost to TEN 3 times. There are billboards here that just say “Mack wasn’t down” over a year later.You would have to add Jags last year as well, right?
I’d argue for the 15-1 Steelers going down at home in 2001...I found this from June 2016:
The most devastating loss in all 32 NFL team’s history
It has the Patriots listed for 6 teams:
Raiders 2001 division round
Chargers 2006 division round
Ravens 2011 AFC Championship
Seahawks SB XLIX
Rams SB XXXVI
Panthers SB XXXVIII
This was obviously before SB LI, so Atlanta would easily be added to that list.
They have KC’s worst as the 1995 division round against Indy. This year’s AFC Championship probably has that beat.
That’d be 8 for Brady led Pats teams.
Edit: Double postI found this from June 2016:
The most devastating loss in all 32 NFL team’s history
It has the Patriots listed for 6 teams:
Raiders 2001 division round
Chargers 2006 division round
Ravens 2011 AFC Championship
Seahawks SB XLIX
Rams SB XXXVI
Panthers SB XXXVIII
This was obviously before SB LI, so Atlanta would easily be added to that list.
They have KC’s worst as the 1995 division round against Indy. This year’s AFC Championship probably has that beat.
That’d be 8 for Brady led Pats teams.
2004I’d argue for the 15-1 Steelers going down at home in 2001...
D’oh. Conflating two road wins against the Stillers. They all blend together at this point.2004
So, one could argue that Brady (with an assist from Bledsoe) was responsible for the the TWO most heartbreaking losses for the Steelers.2004
Yup, that was the year Joey Porter said the Patriots could "Never, ever, ever, ever, EVER get to our level", which prompted Teddy Bruschi to say "What level was that?"......2004
His last SB, and his last game with MaddenOn the other hand, Summerall was *bad* that day.
Super Bowl 30? Hardly. That Steelers team was totally overmatched against the Cowboys, they were lucky to keep it a game (kind of like the 96 Pats). The 2004 Steelers were much better. Hell even the 2001 Steelers might have been better.The USA Today article has SB XXX as the Steelers’ worst loss. Hard to argue with that.
The Jags last year would certainly be a contender but they listed the 1999 AFC Championship. That’s a bit closer but I’m inclined to give ‘99 the nod.
Chris Matthews, David Tyree, late career Ricky Proehl, Owen Daniels. It's crazy when you think about the odd assortment of medicore or unknown players who have had signature moments against the Pats.Re-watching the Pats Seahawks SB. Hard to believe Chris Matthews wasn't a bigger story that game. First NFL catch in the SB, ends up with over 100yds receiving and TD and would only total an additional 176 yds receiving in his career over 2 seasons. Talk about a nobody having a massive impact in the SB.
Absolutely. Think about 2004 for the Steelers. After decades of playoff failures, including ugly home losses in the AFC Championship game in ‘94, ‘97, and ‘01, they go 15-1 and beat the Patriots. It’s clearly one of Bettis’s last hurrahs, and they finally have the chance to get revenge on Brady and Belichick and go to a Super Bowl against their in-State rival, the Eagles. And instead, they get humiliated by the Patriots once again.Yup, that was the year Joey Porter said the Patriots could "Never, ever, ever, ever, EVER get to our level", which prompted Teddy Bruschi to say "What level was that?"......
Right. The Cowboys were 13.5 point favorites. The fact that the Steelers were within 3 points with 4 minutes left was a major accomplishment.Super Bowl 30? Hardly. That Steelers team was totally overmatched against the Cowboys, they were lucky to keep it a game (kind of like the 96 Pats). The 2004 Steelers were much better. Hell even the 2001 Steelers might have been better.
All I see is people whining about how Rodgers twice lost OT playoff games without seeing the ball, but remember when he won the coin toss and fumbled the game away against the Cardinals? It's like it's a given those guys would drive down the field and score when the only QB we've seen do exactly that every single time is Brady.While the nation is harping on the entire "OT is unfair" discussion, what they miss is that Tom Brady has had exactly 3 possessions in overtime in the playoffs, and has put up 2 touchdowns and a field goal (and probably would have put up 3 touchdowns, had one been needed in 2001). He is 16-22 for 165 yards on those drives, leading the Pats on drives of 61, 75, and 75 yards. He has never given his opponent a chance at a possession, unlike say Brees who threw a pick on the Saints first OT possession. He is a stone cold killer.
Exactly. I watched Saint Peyton throw an OT pick at home in 2012. It's not that easy, yo.All I see is people whining about how Rodgers twice lost OT playoff games without seeing the ball, but remember when he won the coin toss and fumbled the game away against the Cardinals? It's like it's a given those guys would drive down the field and score when the only QB we've seen do exactly that every single time is Brady.
The butt fumble game isn't in the same realm as that playoff loss. Those missed kicks were legendary at the time. The butt fumble was in a season the Jets were floundering, as you noted. That's not a devastating loss, it was just worth a very good laugh.2) What about the Jets? I didn't remember anything about that 2004 loss in the Divisional Round to the Steelers. I would have thought many Jets fans would say the "Butt Fumble" 2012 Thanksgiving game, when they officially turned into a laughingstock on national TV and their unofficial mascot "Fireman Ed" came out after the game to renounce his fandom. I know it was a regular season game and they went into it 4-6, but to lose like that on one of the most hilarious inept plays in modern sports history has got to be pretty low. Remember, before that game Rex and The Sanchize were known as the duo that got the Jets to back-to-back AFC Championship games and beat the mighty Patriots in Foxboro in 2010. After that game, they were relegated to an eternity of internet memes -- the butt of endless jokes.
I also wonder about the 1994 Marino "Fake Spike" play for the Jets. Again, a regular season game, but they were up 17-0 and were on Monday Night Football competing for the AFC East, and instead blew the game, lost their last four games, and Pete Carroll ended up getting fired.
Good point on the Fake Spike game, I read the Football Reference box score wrong. Sorry about that.The butt fumble game isn't in the same realm as that playoff loss. Those missed kicks were legendary at the time. The butt fumble was in a season the Jets were floundering, as you noted. That's not a devastating loss, it was just worth a very good laugh.
And that fake spike game was a 1pm game on Sunday. So it wasn't a national audience, but it is a famous game.
It’s a ridiculous argument, when the counter-argument is as close as that afternoon’s game. Saints win the toss, Brees throws a pick, and LA wins with an easy FG.While the nation is harping on the entire "OT is unfair" discussion, what they miss is that Tom Brady has had exactly 3 possessions in overtime in the playoffs, and has put up 2 touchdowns and a field goal (and probably would have put up 3 touchdowns, had one been needed in 2001). He is 16-22 for 165 yards on those drives, leading the Pats on drives of 61, 75, and 75 yards. He has never given his opponent a chance at a possession, unlike say Brees who threw a pick on the Saints first OT possession. He is a stone cold killer.
It's not surprising that they haven't played the Bengals since the Bengals haven't won a single playoff game during this era, and the Pats don't play on Wild Card weekend.Brady and Belichick have beaten almost the entire AFC at one point or another in the playoffs since this run began.
Colts (03,04,13,14)
Steelers (01,04,16)
Chargers (06,07,18)
Jags (05,07,17)
Titans (03,17)
Chiefs (15,18)
Ravens (11,14)
Texans (12,16)
Broncos (11)
Jets (05)
Raiders (01)
So the only AFC teams they haven't beat are the Bills, Dolphins, and the Bengals. The Bills and Dolphins haven't had many appearances since 2001, so that is understandable. However, it is surprising they never faced the Bengals during this run, they've had several appearances in the playoffs. As stated above the Pats have given some of these teams the worst or one of the worst losses (2004 Steelers, 2006, Chargers, 2018 Chiefs, etc) in their history. You look at that list and almost every team in the AFC has their season ended by the Pats at some point in the past 18 years.
I was talking about that with a buddy that I went with to the McGinest 4.5 sack Wild Card win over the Jaguars after the '05 season. We're in an exclusive club - way fewer people have seen Brady play a Wild Card game in person than seen him play in a Super Bowl.It's not surprising that they haven't played the Bengals since the Bengals haven't won a single playoff game during this era, and the Pats don't play on Wild Card weekend.
I know, but they have made it seven times during the Brady/BB era and both teams played in the WC round in 05 and 09. It is surprising that the Bengals never won a single playoff game met up with the Pats.It's not surprising that they haven't played the Bengals since the Bengals haven't won a single playoff game during this era, and the Pats don't play on Wild Card weekend.
He's played in only 3 wild card games out of 40 postseason games. Three times as many Super Bowls as wild cardsI was talking about that with a buddy that I went with to the McGinest 4.5 sack Wild Card win over the Jaguars after the '05 season. We're in an exclusive club - way fewer people have seen Brady play a Wild Card game in person than seen him play in a Super Bowl.
BrownsBrady and Belichick have beaten almost the entire AFC at one point or another in the playoffs since this run began.
Colts (03,04,13,14)
Steelers (01,04,16)
Chargers (06,07,18)
Jags (05,07,17)
Titans (03,17)
Chiefs (15,18)
Ravens (11,14)
Texans (12,16)
Broncos (11)
Jets (05)
Raiders (01)
So the only AFC teams they haven't beat are the Bills, Dolphins, and the Bengals.
Been watching the entirety of SB36 as as a weeklong hype up with much greater appreciation than 9 year old me. The schemes back then, with what was allowed by hits was truly a different era. Like, talented guys on the Rams DL, but these guys would be caught in quicksand in today's game if asked to run a flood. Just look at that recovery speed (or lack of it) on the 3 wide skinny post package that went to Troy Brown almost immediately, as further evidence.Watching the Pats/Eagles XXXIX highlights.
"No team has ever lost a Super Bowl when leading by 10 points in the 4th Quarter."
Fast forward 14 years and that accomplishment has happened twice.
Some one will show this to BB, and he'll sit Thuney for the first playThuney the first player to start a Super Bowl in each of his his first three seasons.
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4816650/patriots-thuney-to-make-history-3-super-bowl-starts-in-first-3-seasons
You made me curious if there are others who did so and/or broke this with the Bills and Dolphins in their first 3/4 years in the league, albeit not starting:Thuney the first player to start a Super Bowl in each of his his first three seasons.
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4816650/patriots-thuney-to-make-history-3-super-bowl-starts-in-first-3-seasons
That was the year before 94. Chargers then got blown out by Niners in Super Bowl.The following year in the AFC championship game they were 9 point favorites at home the Chargers and they blew a 10 point second half lead. That’s got to be up there.
Yep - that could have easily gone right through his handsMan, James White made a great snag on the direct snap on that first two-pointer.
QFT. I’ve watched those highlights about a million times and still cannot believe they did that.A 30 minute recap can't do this game justice.