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McCarver's Mushy Mouth
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25653722/bengals-coach-marvin-lewis-part-ways-6-10-season

"Lewis lobbied Monday for the Bengals to interview Jackson for the head-coaching job.

"I think he's more than qualified," Lewis said at the news conference. "I think he's been in a couple of difficult situations [in Oakland and Cleveland], and that's tough, and it hasn't broke his way. But I think he's an excellent football coach, he's a great motivator, he's detailed. So I think he deserves an opportunity, if not here, somewhere else."

To be fair, we saw how motivated the Browns were against the Bengals with Jackson on the CIN sideline.
 

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This has to be part of the reason why Josh is not jumping at these coaching vacancies. You are lucky to get 2 years to turn things around before they show you the door.
2016 NFL coaching hires:
Hue Jackson - fired
Adam Gase - fired
Dirk Koetter - fired
Ben McAdoo - fired
Chip Kelly - fired
Mike Mularkey - fired
Doug Pederson - employed
 

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What is up with Arizona firing a coach after 1 year?

They hired the guy so they must have liked him. Sure they sucked but they were competitive in quite a few games and have a rookie QB.

I don’t follow them at all, but do they already know who they want or did ownership think they made a big mistake?
He was apparently an unqualified Hue Jackson level disaster. They're probably going to bring in an offensive guy to help their new QB. The bigger problem is that their GM is awful and ownership is a joke
 

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Comparatively, a lot of these coaching vacancies are being triggered by departures of African American coaches. That is not to say that any of these decisions taken alone was not justified. Most probably were. It is to recognize what is becoming an awkward problem for the League.

Goodell may be looking for comfort from the Steelers as we speak. Not that a Tomlin firing was in the cards in any case. But given the legendary Steeler patience, this would not be a great year for it.
 

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Jets want to talk to Kris Richard. I couldn’t pick these two guys (Bieniemy, Richard out of a lineup so I have no opinion).
 

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Comparatively, a lot of these coaching vacancies are being triggered by departures of African American coaches. That is not to say that any of these decisions taken alone was not justified. Most probably were. It is to recognize what is becoming an awkward problem for the League.

Goodell may be looking for comfort from the Steelers as we speak. Not that a Tomlin firing was in the cards in any case. But given the legendary Steeler patience, this would not be a great year for it.
I know you know this, but on this topic the league has to be grateful that the Chargers are in the playoffs
 

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The Flores interview rumors both this year and last have felt a bit early career wise for him (although not as much as they were last year) based on his experience, or lack thereof, at the coordinator level. So I wonder if he's a Rooney rule interview or if he's being seriously considered. If he's a legit candidate, my only fear is he is sort of green in our system at this level. So who is the next guy up and would he be a bit under-qualified for the next step if they promote from within?

I don't have much of a handle on the Pats coaching depth chart after BB, Josh, and Flores.
 

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The Flores interview rumors both this year and last have felt a bit early career wise for him (although not as much as they were last year) based on his experience, or lack thereof, at the coordinator level. So I wonder if he's a Rooney rule interview or if he's being seriously considered. If he's a legit candidate, my only fear is he is sort of green in our system at this level. So who is the next guy up and would he be a bit under-qualified for the next step if they promote from within?

I don't have much of a handle on the Pats coaching depth chart after BB, Josh, and Flores.
Younger coaches sometimes do the interview rounds with teams, so they can get a handle on them for the future and not necessarily for this go-round
 

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Quinn safe, but ...

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported Monday that the Falcons fired offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian, defensive coordinator Marquand Manuel and special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong, per a source informed of the decision.
 

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Quinn safe, but ...

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported Monday that the Falcons fired offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian, defensive coordinator Marquand Manuel and special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong, per a source informed of the decision.
Seems pretty clear to me that Kyle Shanahan was the secret to their success in 2016. He may or may not be a good HC but he clearly meshed well with Ryan. I would be shocked if Quinn is around after next season.

As for Flores, I feel like Patriots coordinators almost always get HC interviews their first year on the job if not earlier. In addition to McDaniels and Patricia, Mangini was courted by the Jets after his first year after being officially promoted to DC bc of interest by the Dolphins the year before IIRC.
 

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Seems pretty clear to me that Kyle Shanahan was the secret to their success in 2016. He may or may not be a good HC but he clearly meshed well with Ryan. I would be shocked if Quinn is around after next season.
I'm trying to figure out the rationale. Maybe Blank just thinks Quinn is a good administrative HC and that he wouldn't find someone out there he likes better. in that case, he's giving Quinn a do-over ... pretend you're a new hire and create an entirely new coaching staff.

It's odd, though.
 

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Florio says the Cardinals might interview Marvin Lewis
 

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Jets want to talk to Kris Richard. I couldn’t pick these two guys (Bieniemy, Richard out of a lineup so I have no opinion).
Kris Richard had one year as a DC in Seattle and one year helping turnaround the Dallas defense as a de-facto coordinator. Personally, from the Seahawks perspective, the defense had a down year under him, but half the defense was hurt so a bunch of young guys that weren't ready had to step in and they declined dramatically. This year the fruits of that experience for the kids turned out quite nicely, so I think that's a point for him. I would think he really needs another year or two as a full time DC before someone should give him the job, but sometimes someone that young (turns 40 next October) works out for the long term.
 

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Other than the Browns (and maybe the Jets), are any of the jobs really all that attractive? You could say the Packers, but if someone takes that job and that teams doesn't contend for a championship right away, they are probably going to be fired. Many of these teams have lousy GMs, poor ownership, and lack a viable QB. With many coaches now getting only two years to turn things around, staying a coordinator may look a lot more attractive.

Of course, these guys all want to be head coaches and they will jump at these bad jobs, convinced they will be the ones to turn things around.
 

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You make a good point but I give Marvin credit for stabilizing that franchise a bit. That team was a laughingstock for many years. Recently they have been a middle class team. With the right hire, they could be competitive next year.
Marvin Lewis gets a lot of grief around here, but he finishes with a 131-122-3 record in the same division as the Steelers and the Ravens. That's really quite remarkable considering the kind of franchise he took over.
 

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Jets have interest in interviewing Caldwell per rapoport
This will of course be laughed at and he is hardly a sexy candidate but Caldwell owns a .554 winning percentage as a head coach despite having one season in Indy with the likes of Diamond Dan Orlovsky under center for 8 games and coaching Matt Stafford for four seasons. He’s not terrible and possibly ok as a HC but probably not a guy who the FO will ever put a top tier personnel guy in to support.

Edit: Which is to say, he is exactly the kind of fall guy Walsh describes in his book mentioned upthread.
 
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Comparatively, a lot of these coaching vacancies are being triggered by departures of African American coaches. That is not to say that any of these decisions taken alone was not justified. Most probably were. It is to recognize what is becoming an awkward problem for the League.

Goodell may be looking for comfort from the Steelers as we speak. Not that a Tomlin firing was in the cards in any case. But given the legendary Steeler patience, this would not be a great year for it.
No. Seriously no. If that’s the reason to keep this incompetent moron around then count me out as a fan.
 

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The Browns are my 2nd favorite team as per my prenuptial agreement. I would welcome Gase, and be mortified by McCarthy.
 
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Please, PLEASE let the jets hire Jim Caldwell. The fan base will go NUTS.

To me, the most appealing job out there may well be Cleveland. The only hitch, and it's admittedly a big one, is ownership. But Baker Mayfield, that D and draft picks? Pretty good situation.
 

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Please, PLEASE let the jets hire Jim Caldwell. The fan base will go NUTS.

To me, the most appealing job out there may well be Cleveland. The only hitch, and it's admittedly a big one, is ownership. But Baker Mayfield, that D and draft picks? Pretty good situation.
The Cleveland job being a top job isn’t a hot take so don’t feel too bad. It’s been the top job since the Packers fires McCarthy.
 

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I think Josh is gone this time for real.

Let’s win one last ring - then Josh, Tom, and Bill can all ride off into the sunset as far as I’m concerned.
 

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Quinn safe, but ...

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported Monday that the Falcons fired offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian, defensive coordinator Marquand Manuel and special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong, per a source informed of the decision.
Sarkisian is a weird firing, the offense was legitimately very good by just about any measure.
 

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I dunno, kind of think McDaniels should just stay at this point. As long as the rest of the AFC East continues to be garbage the Patriots can still win the division just fine without Brady. I guess there's no guarantee that McDaniels would be offered the job however once BB retires.
 

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Comparatively, a lot of these coaching vacancies are being triggered by departures of African American coaches. That is not to say that any of these decisions taken alone was not justified. Most probably were. It is to recognize what is becoming an awkward problem for the League.

Goodell may be looking for comfort from the Steelers as we speak. Not that a Tomlin firing was in the cards in any case. But given the legendary Steeler patience, this would not be a great year for it.
Good piece by Curran on this:

 

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Let’s bring back BOB as special assistant after the Pats crush Houston. Then when Josh leaves BOB becomes OC. Full circle.
 

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Comparatively, a lot of these coaching vacancies are being triggered by departures of African American coaches. That is not to say that any of these decisions taken alone was not justified. Most probably were. It is to recognize what is becoming an awkward problem for the League.

Goodell may be looking for comfort from the Steelers as we speak. Not that a Tomlin firing was in the cards in any case. But given the legendary Steeler patience, this would not be a great year for it.
Odd headline from Yahoo:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/black-monday-analysis-tracking-head-coaches-fired-around-nfl-151705908.html
 

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What a great piece by TC. I like him on tv but really hadn't read a lengthy price by him before. Good depth, nice balance. Thanks for linking.
 

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why? He could be terrible and keep his job for a decade and a half, seems like a great org to work for
I think if you are trying to win a cheap owner and weak front office make it nearly impossible. The roster isn’t in great shape either. It’s a potentially long run (for reason you note) but one with a significant impediment to being truly great (which I assume is his goal)

He should have just gone to Indy if he wanted crappy ownership—at least there he starts with a franchise QB.
 

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Lombardi posted a Walsh quote that seems very appropriate today

Bill Walsh was there for Al Davis' first year as co-owner and general manager of the Raiders, the first battles in the Davis-Rozelle war. The quote at the end of the tweet sums up his career with Paul Brown and the Bengals: "So they get a new coach, obviously in the GM's comfort zone but not too strong a threat." He wasn't even one of the first choices for Eddie DeBartolo, he had four coaches in three years before hiring Bill Walsh. For the cherry on the top, the Miracle at the Meadowlands convinced Wellington Mara to stop using Street & Smith's college football yearbooks, and hire George Young. So they get a new coach and John McVay becomes GM of the 49ers.
 

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I think Josh is gone this time for real.
I don't know..if he didn't leave last year to work with Luck, not sure what's better this year. Although I guess there were some questions regarding Luck at this point last year.
 

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I don't know..if he didn't leave last year to work with Luck, not sure what's better this year. Although I guess there were some questions regarding Luck at this point last year.
Because if he decides not to leave this time, the offers might be reduced to replacing BB
 

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I think if you are trying to win a cheap owner and weak front office make it nearly impossible. The roster isn’t in great shape either. It’s a potentially long run (for reason you note) but one with a significant impediment to being truly great (which I assume is his goal)

He should have just gone to Indy if he wanted crappy ownership—at least there he starts with a franchise QB.
Although it's tough to argue about ownership (they spend to extend their own players but refuse to participate in FA, which is fine if you're the Steelers or Packers and have an elite QB except they obviously don't), they were the second-youngest team in the league this year and the last three draft classes (Ross aside) look pretty promising. They weren't going to be great, but they were bad this year because they made a horrendous DC hire and the offense was decimated by injuries, plus Marvin just wore out his welcome. Duke Tobin is a very good GM who was unfortunately phased out for whatever reason as they let Marvin have too much say in personnel. It's certainly easier said than done, but if they actually commit to and find a franchise QB they're going to be very good.
 

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I don't think the Arizona Cardinals wanted Steve Wilks, but someone had to coach the team this year after Carson Palmer and Bruce Arians retired. They played the Bears, road games at the Chiefs and Chargers, and a pair of division games each against the Rams and Seahawks.
 

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Comparatively, a lot of these coaching vacancies are being triggered by departures of African American coaches. That is not to say that any of these decisions taken alone was not justified. Most probably were. It is to recognize what is becoming an awkward problem for the League.

Goodell may be looking for comfort from the Steelers as we speak. Not that a Tomlin firing was in the cards in any case. But given the legendary Steeler patience, this would not be a great year for it.
Reggie McKenzie was fired by the Raiders, and Ozzie Newsome is retiring from the Ravens. I think that leaves Chris Grier in Miami as the only African American GM.
 

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If Josh isn’t planning on leaving why would he take interviews?
You mean like last year?

More seriously, have we heard he is interviewing? And I don't know--maybe you always hear people out? I have no plans to leave my job, but I'd listen if someone wanted to talk.