You still have to get rid of a position player when you add Pedroia. They are Not going with a 5 man bench!
Hanley DFA'd (5/25 Update)
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Just in and haven't gone through the past six pages of posts, but I have to think there is something else in the works soon. It's the timing of this rather than the fact that it's happened that surprises me. Hanley's dropped off the pace that he was at last month (understandable), but there is still power in his bat. Pedroia's not replacing that and there is no other power option on the bench other than perhaps Swihart who's still a bit unproven at this point. Is this the bench they settle for with the Yankees playing better than Boston recently is does DD have something else in the works?
^ It seems like DD had something in mind, then Cora just said to him last night I think Hanley is not a fit for the team anymore, so that's what happened. See Speier's tweets.
Alex Speier @alexspeier 1h1 hour ago
Dombrowski on Hanley reaction: ‘It was in the wee hours of the morning. ... He didn’t really say very much. There wasn’t much reaction at that particular time.’ Conversation took place at about 3:45am.
Dombrowski on Hanley reaction: ‘It was in the wee hours of the morning. ... He didn’t really say very much. There wasn’t much reaction at that particular time.’ Conversation took place at about 3:45am.
Brian Johnson currently has a better xFIP than Michael Fulmer, Luke Weaver, Jake Arrieta, Yu Darvish, and David Price. He doesn't have much upside, but he's got a great shot at replacing Pomeranz's production next year for 1/16th the cost.
I'm assuming Swihart's axe isn't too far behind this one. But as already suggested this coming first does buy them a little more time to figure out the surrounding catching depth situation that will need to be addressed in the aftermath.
Add cheap/available/benchable RHH platoon partner for Moreland, and upgrade to the Sam Travis possibility, to the potential near future tweak target list I guess.
Yeah. Picking out the one least egregious offense as a comparison doesn't really feel apt.
If he punted a ball 100 feet away and then loafed over to it while 2 guys sprinted around the bases to score, followed by not running out a ground ball in the same game? I think plenty of people would have called Harper lazy.
Nice tweet from Hanley saying Goodbye to Red Sox Nation earlier. Was really hoping you could have kept up the early hot hitting. Thanks for some nice moments Hanley. Good luck with your next team.
So he didn't find out on twitter or a text message from a friend. I suppose they could have waited a couple hours longer to DFA him or w/e.
Hanley completely transformed his body in two different off-seasons, just while he was with Boston. That's hard to square with laziness.
It might not have been a call. It was probably right after they landed. You aren’t going to tell him before the flight or in front of his teammates.
I liked him too, and always wanted to give him one more shot because when he had it together he was really fun to have around. But he's been so consistently bad for most of the last 3+ years, the blips of performance are just not getting it done. He surely is toast.
Good news for the 2019 team, given the pseudo-cap. It would have been better for the 2018 team to keep him as a pert time player (maybe Moreland is better playing part time), as it is unlikely that he will be replaced with a quality bat not already on the roster given the razor thin margin before hitting the more punitive luxury tax. That said, perhaps having him on the bench would have been a problem in the clubhouse, as Cora seems to have implied.
"Lazy" isn't the word that comes to mind.
Having watched him over his career and especially the last four years, it's clear to me that Hanley's a player who pays some consideration to personal style. Remember that weird arm sweep he kept doing every time he caught a throw while learning first base in Spring Training 2016? Have you noticed he shows up with a new and distinct hairstyle each year? Call it ego, pride, showmanship, whatever; he's a flashy player with a lot of panache. This is not an uncommon personality trait. I'm sure you know people like this too.
Watching the play in that video above, he seems like a guy who inadvertently did something that made him look really dumb and tried to pass it off as though he didn't care. This was an obviously immature reaction and deserved some sort of discipline, and he got it.
I don't mean to psychoanalyze Hanley, but that seems like a lack of humility that's typical of a young person. I don't see how it equates with laziness. Especially when everyone in the country is familiar with how loaded that term is.
The expected low return on investment for the Ramirez contract drove this decision. This management group gave Hanley as much time as it could afford, in order to make this decision.
Sunk costs never drive future actions.
This is what good management looks like.
Sunk costs never drive future actions.
This is what good management looks like.
Six to one, half dozen to the other. Moreland plays a bigger role as full time first baseman for the time being but he's already there. He's not replacing Hanley's power as he's pretty much out shined him so far. See it as you like, but IMO you have to replace the power void that's been created. I would love for Sam Travis to be that guy, but he hasn't really showed that he's ready. Maybe if he sees any playing time Swihart can show some of the offense that he displayed in spring training. Either way I think something has to be done to provide a bit more pop off the bench.
Shaughnessy up with an absolute screed on why this is a bad move:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/05/25/there-are-powerful-reasons-not-like-this-hanley-ramirez-move/l60AaJwh3UdGaC8hAG1jmI/story.html
More here:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/05/25/there-are-powerful-reasons-not-like-this-hanley-ramirez-move/l60AaJwh3UdGaC8hAG1jmI/story.html
Maybe the correct move, but very sad. I hope it doesn’t fuck up the clubhouse chemistry.
The press conference stuff about the option not being a consideration is bullshit though. This is about money. Hanley is having a no better/worse year than Pujols or Encarnacion.
Edit: posted before reading CHB’s rant. Pains me to say I agree, with less vehemence perhaps, but in general. And I HATE agreeing with Shaughnessy.
The press conference stuff about the option not being a consideration is bullshit though. This is about money. Hanley is having a no better/worse year than Pujols or Encarnacion.
Edit: posted before reading CHB’s rant. Pains me to say I agree, with less vehemence perhaps, but in general. And I HATE agreeing with Shaughnessy.
What did you write? I am geniunely interested in a Yankee fan's perspective on the Hanley DFA. You are one of the more informed posters on here and along with Jon Abbey proof that not every Yankee fan is an ahole...
Which is why I think this might be about defense too. Moreland plays more at 1b, JD plays less in the outfield (which has not been good). A few pieces move around and the D is better at a handful of positions.
Citing the video makes it look just as bad as I remember.
And, even if you do view it in a different light, calling a black athlete "flashy" like you did above has it's own connotation. As I'm positive you didnt do so with racial subtext, I think it illustrates pretty well that sometimes poor word choice is just that and maybe shouldn't lead to leaps in logic or getting people banned almost immediately.
For what its worth, I'm a Hanram fan and have always slightly lamented trading him as a prospect. It netted us a WS, but shortstops with his skill set are rare. I've always been thankful that he ended up back here even if it didnt produce the best results.
Well there have been plenty of games against right handed pitching that Moreland has not started this year. Now he will presumably start them all. So you will gain at least that better production vs righties. If Swihart can hit competently against lefties, then you've made out pretty well. I do agree if the latter doesn't happen, then you still have some gap to fill in replacing Hanley's still-competent bat vs lefties.
Just because it's surprising to those of us who watch from the couch doesn't mean we have to make shit up.
It's not that hard. He isn't hitting g. They have to make a roster move. His 22M potential is an 8ssue going forward.
Hanley isn’t toast. He’s a good enough right-hand bat to play Major League Baseball. He’s not a $22 million player, which is why he’s not a Red Sox.
So, what happens at first base now? The assumption seems to Swihart as the backup but do we know he can actually play there other than in real pinch? For now, I think it’s probably Holt moving over, given that we have two second basemen.
So, what happens at first base now? The assumption seems to Swihart as the backup but do we know he can actually play there other than in real pinch? For now, I think it’s probably Holt moving over, given that we have two second basemen.
Now they have about 15 mil in tax wiggle room to get a deadline bat and setup guy. Of course, they'll have to cobble together a prospect package to do so, maybe throw in some picks. But even a Shin Soo Choo type would be an upgrade over Hanley. A righty bat would be preferable, however.
I assume it is about the lazy being racist line of discussion that was hot and heavy about the time it was written so his call to delete it was probably correct.
Several of our resident Yankee's fans have made good posts in this thread as they typically do.
Based on how Cora operates, I would think that he wanted to make sure it was clear that the move was a baseball decision, not an accounting one. If that means "moving him early" than so be it--the team has decided that's worth it. Which has a lot of potential for what they may be trying to build going forward, i.e. trying to do it right.
This didn't get them any wiggle room for this year, it's about 2019 payroll. They basically have no money to add anyone this year without taking the hit on the draft pick and international signing money.
The doesn't change their payroll for this year, they are paying him all that money and it counts.
It does free up money next year.
The hitter in that situation is likely facing Chris Devenski, so I'd want Moreland.
If the question though were that the manager has the ability to counter whatever the Sox do once the hitter is announced, I probably would pick Hanley against a righty over Moreland against a lefty.
If the question were changed — man on third one out team needs a run Hanley v righty or Moreland v lefty — I take Hanley.