Seriously. They got everything they wanted. Four 1-1 series in the second round. Right out of the NBA play book.David Stern would be so proud of Gary Bettman
Seriously. They got everything they wanted. Four 1-1 series in the second round. Right out of the NBA play book.David Stern would be so proud of Gary Bettman
The league is going to make sure they get six games from all these series it seems.Nothing on Pastrnak getting cross checked either.
Not strong enough to overcome it tonight, B’s have a legitimate gripe for this game
Not only the refs, the linesmen have been brutal.Roenick calling out the refs postgame.
Agree. Thing that is keeping me more calm than usual is that the Bs did not play well. Just need to play good hockey in Boston.I can handle supporting a team when it loses, when the deserve to lose due to their own poor play, or the better play by the opponent.
What sends me off the deep end and enrages me like a child throwing a tantrum is when the team I support is robbed by embarrassing officiating. Just sends me off the deep end with rage.
Officiating is pretty shitty in all the majors. Really need more of a meritocracy and make it a full time gig.NHL refs shitshow special
It's a full time gig in the NHL. The refs make about $250,000 USD. They should be subject to getting sent down to the AHL if they suck, but the union would never allow that.Officiating is pretty shitty in all the majors. Really need more of a meritocracy and make it a full time gig.
I’m sympathetic to this in general. It makes me very angry that inconsequential bullshit like a skate being a millimeter offside as Nap mentioned can be reviewed and take goals off the board but can’t be used there. I don’t think any sport but tennis has really figured out replay.As a Lightning fan ...I'll say this....the officiating was atrocious...the double minor was a bad call, but you can at least can make a case that it's tough to see the contact when sticks are high....and of course, that was a slash on Stralman. Series is destined to go at least 6, probably 7 ...
I know they don’t work other jobs like nfl zebras, but I doubt they work out, watch video, etc half as much as the players do.It's a full time gig in the NHL. The refs make about $250,000 USD. They should be subject to getting sent down to the AHL if they suck, but the union would never allow that.
They do skate for 60+ minutes a night and are evaluated for each game. They’re not a bunch of Joe West’s out there.
Tomorrow I'll dig up the article about the fitness tests they're put through. It's no joke.Evaluated for what? They have a union - they’re guaranteed to get paid, no?
You most likely get paid whether or not you do a shitty job at work. I imagine you don’t strive to do shit work. Not a perfect analogy but personal pride I’m sure plays a part in this.Evaluated for what? They have a union - they’re guaranteed to get paid, no?
That’s dead wrong for me and many Americans. Need to work hard, hit goals, etc to maintain and grow one’s compensation and/or move up.You most likely get paid whether or not you do a shitty job at work. I imagine you don’t strive to do shit work. Not a perfect analogy but personal pride I’m sure plays a part in this.
I watch sports to see the players performing at the peak of their abilities. Poor officiating robs us of that. The Bruins played kinda shitty and probably would’ve lost of their own accord tonight, but we’ll never know.What sends me off the deep end and enrages me like a child throwing a tantrum is when the team I support is robbed by embarrassing officiating. Just sends me off the deep end with rage.
Great. You’ve identified the problem. How do you now solve that?I watch sports to see the players performing at the peak of their abilities. Poor officiating robs us of that. The Bruins played kinda shitty and probably would’ve lost of their own accord tonight, but we’ll never know.
When the announcers show highlights demonstrating the inconsistencies, and the postgame makes it a key point, then you know there’s a problem.
So we should get replacement refs! That always works out!Well sure, the officials work hard. Most working stiffs try hard, but at some point if you can't get shit right you either get fired, or if in a union get "reassigned".
That’s pretty good compensation when you consider the massive amount of free time and the comp’d meals and board. You could live virtually anywhere, and you could save a decent amount of money bc you spend nothing during travel times.Which is why i explicitly stated it’s not perfect. Refs are basically cost centers.
Regardless, how many people do you think are willing to schlep it in Syracuse, Wilks-Barre, and Ontario, CA to build a legitimate base of referees nipping at NHL ref heels, all for the blistering salary of $250k?
It might long term.So we should get replacement refs! That always works out!
Youre right, its hopeless, lets just do nothing then.Great. You’ve identified the problem. How do you now solve that?
What year was it when we had that vicious series against the Devils, where even the officials got so fed up they walked out after a suspension of the Devils’ coach was overturned after he had abused them in the tunnel after the game? Terry O’Reilly was coaching us. We got replacement refs in these ugly yellow sweaters. It wasn’t pretty.So we should get replacement refs! That always works out!
Was that related to the “eat another donut” situation?What year was it when we had that vicious series against the Devils, where even the officials got so fed up they walked out after a suspension of the Devils’ coach was overturned after he had abused them in the tunnel after the game? Terry O’Reilly was coaching us. We got replacement refs in these ugly yellow sweaters. It wasn’t pretty.
I don’t remember that part, but it was 1987-88. Devils coach was Jim Schoenfeld. We won the series and then got swept in the final by Edmonton.Was that related to the “eat another donut” situation?
That was 1988 after Schonfeld told Don Koharski to "have another donut you fat pig", maybe the greatest chirp in hockey history.What year was it when we had that vicious series against the Devils, where even the officials got so fed up they walked out after a suspension of the Devils’ coach was overturned after he had abused them in the tunnel after the game? Terry O’Reilly was coaching us. We got replacement refs in these ugly yellow sweaters. It wasn’t pretty.
https://deadspin.com/hey-its-25-years-and-a-day-since-jim-schoenfeld-tol-493732819That was 1988 after Schonfeld told Don Koharski to "have another donut you fat pig", maybe the greatest chirp in hockey history.
Well sure, the officials work hard. Most working stiffs try hard, but at some point if you can't get shit right you either get fired, or if in a union get "reassigned".
Both of these points ignore the possibility that maybe they're the best in the world at what they do. There are no better options out there. Frankly the game moves way too fucking fast these days.That’s dead wrong for me and many Americans. Need to work hard, hit goals, etc to maintain and grow one’s compensation and/or move up.
Pride is absolutely a motivator as well, but it’s normal human nature to settle if your job is virtually secure and your comp doesn’t change much...even if someone else is nipping at your heels talent wise. All the major sports have refs who are protected. I have no idea why the leagues are afraid to blow up those unions. No one goes to watch the officials
I think there are tons of guys who hang em up after playing in the minors who could be interested if there was an opportunity to grow and develop and become an nhl ref. The lack of a true meritocracy inhibits turnover and fresh recruits.Both of these points ignore the possibility that maybe they're the best in the world at what they do. There are no better options out there. Frankly the game moves way too fucking fast these days.
That's exactly right. I don't know want to hear that things can't be fixed. A lot of these bad calls, or non-calls can absolutely be fixed. It's called instant replay. Some fans don't like it, and some feel it might take too much time, but I am firmly in the camp of "Whatever it takes to get the call right, it's worth it." They're doing it for off-sides 10 minutes after a play ends, why can't they go back and review if an icing should have been called? Why can't they review a high stick and make sure that the guy that got hit didn't hit himself in the head with his own stick? Why can't they figure out if a guy cleared a puck over the boards or not?There absolutely needs to be coach's challenges on non-judgment call penalties. The delay of game in the Toronto series, the High Sticking double minor tonight...those aren't judgment calls.
I in no way mean that. You are bitching about a problem but putting no effort in coming forth with a solution, which I was legitimately calling you out to do. Not sure how you interpreted my response as such. You’re underpants gnoming the issue and I think if you have a legitimate gripe, you should at least start thinking if a solution.Youre right, its hopeless, lets just do nothing then.