The Nation's Tears: Volume II

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I wish they had showed the sideline heater being used (Was that in Minnesota?) by one team to heat up game balls. And he could have played the discussion during the NFC playoff game about how Aaron Rodgers likes the balls over inflated, and puts more air in them after the refs do the measurement.
 

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Also could have played the clip that on is YouTube from a game in 1993 of Pat Sumerall discussing how coaches record signals.
 

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Eagles friend shared this, blew it out with a 1000 word breakdown of its inaccuracies. He went to the Brady's MAGA hat defense on why 'fuck the Patriots' after I told him to hate them for at least accurate reasons. I'll take that as a win. This video has the most salt I've ever fucking seen, any realm. Oh my fucking god.

lol boo hoo

 
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I made it 3 minutes and 44 seconds in to that video before my head started hurting from the stupid that guy was spewing.
 

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Can someone summarize it for me?
The catch Cooks made vs the Texans should have been incomplete as he did not survive the ground.

The Catch James made vs the Patriots should have been complete even though he did not survive the ground.

So he moves the goalposts to prove the NFL is rigged in favor of the Patriots.

Nice to see Carlton from Norwell is doing YouTube videos now.
 

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I can't find that on YouTube. Do you have a link? I'd love to see it.
Trying to find it, I posted it to FB some time ago but it might be gone from YT now. It was from a Redskins game (I believe) where Summerall started talking about coaches recording sideline signals.
 

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It’s literally on the fine line between complete idiocy and sublime parody. I can’t decide.
Glad I wasn't the only one wondering this. I had to pause numerous times to ponder this aloud, but given the Dolphins bit in the description, that made up my mind. Just for the possibility of the latter though, yes, I made it through.

So he moves the goalposts to prove the NFL is rigged in favor of the Patriots.
Can't forget how Goodell destroying the Spygate tapes was genuinely beneficial to the Patriots!
 
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Stolen from patspulpit:

The vocal tone there is worthy of that old Red Letter Media send-up of the Star Wars prequels. That narrator guy definitely has human skins curing in his basement dungeon. And the whole "put the text I'm about to read to you out loud thing right up on the video" feels a little amateurish.

It's a pretty good summary. But I do think he went too far by going into the whole refs thing. There's not anybody who even pretends to be a serious fan who argues some sort of ref conspiracy. But there are definitely fans who act all principled about their Patriots hate and get high and mighty over Ballghazi. I think he could've left well enough alone there. Maybe the Tuck Rule stuff for good measure, but let's stop there. Nobody justifies their hate for the Patriots on the Kelvin Benjamin catch reversal call from a few weeks ago. Zero people.
 

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Glad I wasn't the only one wondering this. I had to pause numerous times to ponder this aloud, but given the Dolphins bit in the description, that made up my mind. Just for the possibility of the latter though, yes, I made it through.



Can't forget how Goodell destroying the Spygate tapes was genuinely beneficial to the Patriots!
I actually had a reaction along the lines of.......

There was a lot of "In my 22 years of watching sports, I have never seen (Insert X), so clearly that is proof that it never happened before" types of arguments. I am not all that tech savvy (inserting a YouTube link sometimes confuses me), but I would still think that putting that video together must have taken a decent amount of time. I will never understand how so many actually believe in these conspiracies to put the time into creating a piece like that. I somehow made it through just because I was becoming more dumbfounded with each passing minute.
 

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Trying to find it, I posted it to FB some time ago but it might be gone from YT now. It was from a Redskins game (I believe) where Summerall started talking about coaches recording sideline signals.
The NFL took it down. John Madden talked about the Redskins and Cowboys filming each other during the game. But, unsurprisingly, no gave a shit.
 

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The filming stuff from the 90s doesn't matter because the memo came out describing what could and couldn't be done came out in 2006.

Do not take this comment to mean that I don't think this is all BS.
 
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But the narrative with regards to spygate isn’t about filming locations or league wide memos. That’s boring. It’s about sign stealing and cheating. There was pearl clutching from players, who claimed that their coaches/teams would never do that. Which Jimmy Johnson rightfully called out.
 

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Can't forget how Goodell destroying the Spygate tapes was genuinely beneficial to the Patriots!
Why are we talking about all this? Oh right, because it's Super Bowl week and when the Patriots are involved it ALWAYS comes back to this. Even Deflategate was actually about Spygate.....

Your point here is spot-on. We KNOW what the Patriots taped - opposing sideline signals. They admitted it right off the top. Do we really need to SEE the Jets' defensive coordinator go through his hand motions? How much more damning is it to see their defensive signals than to just know they did it? This isn't like hearing about Ray Rice hitting his wife and then SEEING it - in that case, while it SHOULDN'T matter, I understand why it DOES. But in this case, there's nothing at all dramatic about seeing signals - every fan watching the NFL has seen coaches send in plays with hand signals. We know what it looks like.

So what could possibly be on the tapes that was so damning to the Patriots? Why would Goodell feel the need to hide something by destroying the tapes? Maybe it was that somehow the Patriots had copies of other teams taping THEM?
 

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“So what could possibly be on the tapes that was so damning to the Patriots? Why would Goodell feel the need to hide something by destroying the tapes? Maybe it was that somehow the Patriots had copies of other teams taping THEM?”

Or maybe it was that, and will forever be, that Goodell is an incompetent ninny who is hopelessly over his skis.
 

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“So what could possibly be on the tapes that was so damning to the Patriots? Why would Goodell feel the need to hide something by destroying the tapes? Maybe it was that somehow the Patriots had copies of other teams taping THEM?”

Or maybe it was that, and will forever be, that Goodell is an incompetent ninny who is hopelessly over his skis.
Actually, you're probably right. Occam's Razor and all.
 

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Why are we talking about all this? Oh right, because it's Super Bowl week and when the Patriots are involved it ALWAYS comes back to this. Even Deflategate was actually about Spygate.....

Your point here is spot-on. We KNOW what the Patriots taped - opposing sideline signals. They admitted it right off the top. Do we really need to SEE the Jets' defensive coordinator go through his hand motions? How much more damning is it to see their defensive signals than to just know they did it? This isn't like hearing about Ray Rice hitting his wife and then SEEING it - in that case, while it SHOULDN'T matter, I understand why it DOES. But in this case, there's nothing at all dramatic about seeing signals - every fan watching the NFL has seen coaches send in plays with hand signals. We know what it looks like.

So what could possibly be on the tapes that was so damning to the Patriots? Why would Goodell feel the need to hide something by destroying the tapes? Maybe it was that somehow the Patriots had copies of other teams taping THEM?
You know that Goodell showed a room of reporters a sample of the tapes, right? I saw a picture of the room full of reporters watching it the other day.

The "Goodell destroyed the tapes" thing is garbage. Yes, they were destroyed. After he showed the media...

Edit - this part always makes me laugh:

Capping off the absurdity of it all: During a 2002 game against the Chargers, the tapes of the signals from a defensive coach were interrupted by shots of the Chargers' cheerleaders performing for the crowd. Yes, the Cheerleaders. At one point, the camera zooms in on the tush of one of the cheerleaders. A woman from the law firm representing Walsh quickly came around to tell us that Walsh wasn't videotaping that game or those cheerleaders.

Then it was back to the signals, the simplicity of which was shocking - if for no other reason than the signs easily could have been stolen without the benefit of videotape.
The idea of BB sitting in his recliner viewing that Charger tape always gets me in stitches. I'm not sure which is funnier. Head in palm, slowly shaking back and forth at the idiocy? Maybe just a little smirk and back to work? Or maybe he's pulling out the lubriderm.

Oh, wait. It's stupid shit and BB wasn't wasting his time watching this shit.
 
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“So what could possibly be on the tapes that was so damning to the Patriots? Why would Goodell feel the need to hide something by destroying the tapes? Maybe it was that somehow the Patriots had copies of other teams taping THEM?”

Or maybe it was that, and will forever be, that Goodell is an incompetent ninny who is hopelessly over his skis.
He showed them publicly and then made this grand gesture of destroying them for dramatic effect (and because there’s no rational reason to keep them except to hedge against conspiracy theories that thrive on “we will never know!” type of stuff).

The larger problem is he never came out and dispelled the conspiracy or misinformation out of a smug and cowardly desire to appease some owners and because he was afraid it might mean having to explain he overreacted.
 

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I’ve always assumed that the tapes were destroyed precisely because of the story about the cheerleaders. I figured there were a ton of shots of cheerleaders, attractive trainers, attractive women in the crowd, etc. And that the league didn’t want that circulating while they were aggressively trying to court female fans.
 

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You know that Goodell showed a room of reporters a sample of the tapes, right? I saw a picture of the room full of reporters watching it the other day.

The "Goodell destroyed the tapes" thing is garbage. Yes, they were destroyed. After he showed the media...

Edit - this part always makes me laugh:



The idea of BB sitting in his recliner viewing that Charger tape always gets me in stitches. I'm not sure which is funnier. Head in palm, slowly shaking back and forth at the idiocy? Maybe just a little smirk and back to work? Or maybe he's pulling out the lubriderm.

Oh, wait. It's stupid shit and BB wasn't wasting his time watching this shit.
Not only did Goodell show a room of reporters the contents of the tapes, the whole thing was broadcast on NFL.com. I watched it live, and so could everyone else with an internet connection on planet Earth. Maybe they think Goodell combed through the tapes to find the least heinous examples and burned the rest down so the shield wouldn't be tarnished forever. Or maybe he's an impulsive moron who had no clue as to how to handle that situation and ended up making everyone involved look shady in the process.
 

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I totally forgot about the cheerleader part of the story. Hilarious. And 8slim, that's a pretty good theory you have there.

I also remember that on one of the tapes, Herm Edwards is waving at the camera and smiling. Everyone knew they were doing this and nobody ever cared until Mangini got butt-hurt. And he has since said he wishes he had never taken it this far because it got blown way out of proportion.
 

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Don't forget that the day of the Jets game when the story broke, one of the NYC TV stations ran footage of the tape taken that very day. The only source of that tape would have been directly from the league office....and Goodell's wife worked for the TV station that aired the footage.

Those fuckers leaked it deliberately and when they thought better of it tried to cover their wrinkled old asses by destroying everything later.
 

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Or maybe hr 's an impulsive moron who had no clue as to how to handle that situation and ended up making everyone involved look shady in the process.
I loathe Goodell and I won't even go that far. I can't think of any sports league or corporation that, pre-Spygate, turned over evidence from an investigation to the public. And post-Spygate the only one I can think of is the NFL. MLB sure as shit didn't release emails from the StL "hacking" scandal.

The Spygate tapes being destroyed only looks shady because people hate NE so much that the story remained alive after it should have died and Goodell is such an ineffective public face that he didn't stand up and laugh at the notion that he should have handed out the tapes. He showed an excerpt to the media and that's frankly more than the public could reasonably expect. This stuff was never handled out in the open before and the cries that Spygate being handled behind closed doors is evidence of a conspiracy is absurd.
 

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Don't forget that the day of the Jets game when the story broke, one of the NYC TV stations ran footage of the tape taken that very day. The only source of that tape would have been directly from the league office....and Goodell's wife worked for the TV station that aired the footage.

Those fuckers leaked it deliberately and when they thought better of it tried to cover their wrinkled old asses by destroying everything later.
Yup. Fox Sports showed it on their halftime show as well.
 

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Goodell showed the Matt Walsh tapes to the assembled media. That was later on in Round 2 of Spygate. The original tapes taken from the Foxboro archives were not shown, but Jay Glazer somehow got a portion of them and aired the footage.
 

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I’ve always assumed that the tapes were destroyed precisely because of the story about the cheerleaders. I figured there were a ton of shots of cheerleaders, attractive trainers, attractive women in the crowd, etc. And that the league didn’t want that circulating while they were aggressively trying to court female fans.
Probably every team’s camera crew was getting in their share of cheerleader T & A and crowd talent shots. I don’t know if that’s why they destroyed the tapes, but it certainly underscores the ridiculous fallout from what was, at most, a minor technical violation. And that fallout subsequently included a $1 million fine, the loss of (another) first round pick, and the four-game suspension of the GOAT for another infraction that probably didn’t even happen and should have resulted in, at most, a $25K fine.

I imagine a lot of other tapes in teams’ offices around the league were destroyed after the revelations about the talent shots came out...
 

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I’ve always assumed that the tapes were destroyed precisely because of the story about the cheerleaders. I figured there were a ton of shots of cheerleaders, attractive trainers, attractive women in the crowd, etc. And that the league didn’t want that circulating while they were aggressively trying to court female fans.
One time, about 20 years ago, I was in Vegas during football season and watched the Pats game at a Sports Book. They had every game on these individual TV's at your seat that you could pick the channel to watch. They must have had some sort of direct feed from the network because there were no commercials at all. During the times when commercials would be aired to the country, this feed was showing what the truck would be seeing at the game, however the TD was switching cameras. Practically every break was filled with shots of the crowd, invariably on the best looking women or the ones with the largest breasts or most ample cleavage.
I think 8slim is exactly right that when the game wasn't active -- and if you've ever been to an NFL game in person, you know how much time that is -- the cameras were almost certainly aimed at women.
 

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If say, one needed to sit a recalcitrant Raiders fan back down - what article would you send him making it incontrovertibly clear that, question the Tuck Rule itself all you want, the correct call was made on that snowy evening. Dude won't shut it after 17 years - I need to make him stop. I can only invoke Ben Dreith so many times... Anyone got anything?
 

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If say, one needed to sit a recalcitrant Raiders fan back down - what article would you send him making it incontrovertibly clear that, question the Tuck Rule itself all you want, the correct call was made on that snowy evening. Dude won't shut it after 17 years - I need to make him stop. I can only invoke Ben Dreith so many times... Anyone got anything?
Show him this Twitter thread:


Then promptly block him from your life.
 
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Hey, whaddya know, Goodell wants the catch rule changed!
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22257695/concerned-roger-goodell-wants-nfl-catch-rule-changed

Bank on it: next year Gronk gets the game-winning TD on the same play.
I am going to laugh hysterically when the NFL changes the catch rule again in the summer of 2019 because Gronkowski caught, and drops per the present rules, the game winning TD pass against whatever team is battling the Patriots for home field advantage next year.
 

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One time, about 20 years ago, I was in Vegas during football season and watched the Pats game at a Sports Book. They had every game on these individual TV's at your seat that you could pick the channel to watch. They must have had some sort of direct feed from the network because there were no commercials at all. During the times when commercials would be aired to the country, this feed was showing what the truck would be seeing at the game, however the TD was switching cameras. Practically every break was filled with shots of the crowd, invariably on the best looking women or the ones with the largest breasts or most ample cleavage.
I think 8slim is exactly right that when the game wasn't active -- and if you've ever been to an NFL game in person, you know how much time that is -- the cameras were almost certainly aimed at women.
or Jerry Remy saying he hates Mike Lowell
 

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I made it 3 minutes and 44 seconds in to that video before my head started hurting from the stupid that guy was spewing.
I'm impressed, I thought I had a high pain tolerance, but I could only make it to 3:23 before the painful stupidity wore me down.
 
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