Someone should tweet that apocryphal Twain quote about San Francisco summers to Stanton quick!A source tells me that the #RedSox are still very much in play for Giancarlo Stanton. In fact the only reason that he was not hot on Boston right away is because of the cold weather. His top choice is the Dodgers, then the Giants after that if they can put together a contender.
So you think the possibility of him being a passable DH is worth an additional $90 million?I wasn't aware that Matt Moore and Chris Archer were also capable of being legitimate DHs.
This post is 100% nonsense. Manfred made it abundantly clear that "sign and immediately extend" is not on the table for Otani.The bid will cost $20M. I think it’s near a lock that whatever team signs him will extend him, maybe in April to avoid the luxury tax hit like the Sox did with the Adrian Gonzalez extension. Manfred will hate it but he can’t penalize a team for taking advantage of the CBA loophole and locking up a player like that.
The tweet addresses the bonus issue, which isn’t really an issue. Think it confirms Ohtani will be getting paid regardless of the bonus. As for the amount of the contract, that’s up for debate. In the $100M-$110M range is more than fair for 7 years of control. I imagine the team will probably end up getting an additional eighth year option.
How much would you pay for a passable DH over 7 years or so? More importantly, how much would you pay to be able to field a 26 man roster over that time?So you think the possibility of him being a passable DH is worth an additional $90 million?
He won’t get itBob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale
The J.D. Martinez asking price to teams at GM Meetings: Seven years, $210 million
You are the most gullible person on this board if you think Ohtani will not sign an extension with his team. If you want to debate his contract, be my guest.This post is 100% nonsense. Manfred made it abundantly clear that "sign and immediately extend" is not on the table for Otani.
https://www.thescore.com/news/1378639
The Bradford tweet is not proof of the contrary. It's a reiteration of the report that money is not the driving factor in Otani coming to America which is why he's posting this winter and not waiting two seasons. You have no clue what you are talking about.
And when he does get extended (whether that's after his first year, two years in or when he reaches arb eligibility) it won't be for $130M.
Can't they sign him to a deal where he can opt out on May 1st or somewhere thereabouts? Sign him for whatever the Sox cap is and agree to terms on an extension to be announced during the season.Is this a possibility? All I've seen is that they can pay the posting fee and a (severely limited) signing bonus, but salary is governed by the CBA. Obviously extensions are possible at some point but to do this immediately as a way to circumvent the bonus limits would almost certainly draw fire from Manfred.
Cite your sources. Your opinion runs counter to literally everything we've heard about this situation.You are the most gullible person on this board if you think Ohtani will not sign an extension with his team. If you want to debate his contract, be my guest.
There is absolutely nothing Manfred can do to prevent Ohtani and his new team agreeing to a first year extension. Doing so would be illegal of Manfred and the MLBPA would never allow the commissioner to prevent an extension of a player and a club. The only thing he can prevent is if there is illegal collusion between any team and Ohtani during this signing process to promise him future money.
Maybe Ohtani signs this month, or early December. May 2018 rolls around and he signs a huge extension with the Sox/whatever team. That’s legal.
Pretty much in line with what I expected the opening price to be going in.Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale
The J.D. Martinez asking price to teams at GM Meetings: Seven years, $210 million
Read: But that doesn’t mean it won’t happen.Cite your sources. Your opinion runs counter to literally everything we've heard about this situation.
I can't see any team risk playing him at DH on off days. It's nice in theory.How much would you pay for a passable DH over 7 years or so? More importantly, how much would you pay to be able to field a 26 man roster over that time?
Its not what I would pay. It's what past precedence says should be paid, and when Jon Singleton got extended before earning a day of service time he got $10 million spread over 5 years. So no, I don't think any team is willing to promise an extra $80 million to a player just for giggles.How much would you pay for a passable DH over 7 years or so? More importantly, how much would you pay to be able to field a 26 man roster over that time?
That’s going to be the biggest factor where he signs, not 3 million dollars.I can't see any team risk playing him at DH on off days. It's nice in theory.
Fine. Then answer this: If a team deliberately tries to circumvent the system MLB has in place governing postings and contracts for Japanese players, what's to keep Manfred from invoking the "best interests of baseball" power to declare Ohtani a free agent? MLBPA happy, Ohtani happy, team fucked.Read: But that doesn’t mean it won’t happen.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/ask-ba-can-team-promise-otani-pre-arbitration-deal/
I'm also not sure promising him a DH spot is wise unless you expect him to be an above average hitter. I guess if he was an average hitter, you could use a little of the money you saved at the DH spot to improve elsewhere but I think teams would typically want more offense from the DH spot.That’s going to be the biggest factor where he signs, not 3 million dollars.
Apparently, you are the one spelling it incorrectly. I thought it was Otani too.Can we come up with a Buchholz-style default for every time someone spells Otani incorrectly
I'm getting my spelling from b-ref, ESPN and The Associated Press. Where are you seeing that it's spelled with an h?Apparently, you are the one spelling it incorrectly. I thought it was Otani too.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/261840310/shohei-ohtani-the-hot-topic-at-gm-meetings/I'm getting my spelling from b-ref, ESPN and The Associated Press. Where are you seeing that it's spelled with an h?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=otani-000sho
This was on an MLB Trade Rumors report a while back:I'm getting my spelling from b-ref, ESPN and The Associated Press. Where are you seeing that it's spelled with an h?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=otani-000sho
We have now confirmed, however, that the spelling “Ohtani” is the formal spelling likely to be utilized in his potential transition to the majors.
So basically the opposite of what you are arguing will happen. They talk about him being extended after a "suitable amount of time." Interpreting that to mean April or May of 2018 is idiotic.Read: But that doesn’t mean it won’t happen.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/ask-ba-can-team-promise-otani-pre-arbitration-deal/
They actually wrote in a clause that lets them decide what is and isn't against the rules without having to describe it all up front. If Manfred thinks a team is circumventing the spirit of the law, he will step in.No Club or player (including their designated representatives) may enter into any understanding, agreement, or transaction, or make any representation, whether implied or explicit, that is designed to defeat or circumvent the provisions of the International Amateur Talent System. Any Club (or its representatives) that is found to have engaged in circumvention or attempted circumvention will be subject to sanctions by the Commissioner, including fines, suspensions, non-approval of the transaction(s) or contract(s), and loss of future signing rights. A non-exclusive list of conduct that will subject Clubs (and Club personnel) to sanctions includes:
I wouldn't go with MLBTR on the official spelling of anythingThis was on an MLB Trade Rumors report a while back:
How about Buster Olney?I wouldn't go with MLBTR on the official spelling of anything
Correct! I think everyone should go with "Ohtani" going forward. That's what he has on the back of his own jersey, and that is the more accurate romanization of his name pronunciation-wise. And in September I discovered that's how it's spelled on the Sapporo Dome scoreboards, which incidentally have...kind of a lot going on:
Scott Boras, where JD M = David Price
also I can't say I love Stanton being concerned about our weather - speaks to wrong priorities
To me, the red flag is: (Stanton - MLB talent acqusition cost - mL talent acqusition cost) << JDMScott Boras, where JD M = David Price
also I can't say I love Stanton being concerned about our weather - speaks to wrong priorities
Exactly my point from post 373. His contract is market appropriate as it is. Why people would be ok trading E-Rod or even Benintendi for the rights to that contract is mind boggling.
Giancarlo Stanton trade development: Sources say multiple teams told #Marlins that Stanton’s contract (10 years, $295 million) is roughly what he’d receive on open market. Thus, #Marlinswould need to include cash in order to obtain high-level prospects. @MLB @MLBNetwork
Completely nuts, I agree. I would think that the very best players at premium positions like SS, aces or shut down closers bring back more, even at market value. But he's a power hitter in a beefed up league. There is a lot of value to be had elsewhere.Exactly my point from post 373. His contract is market appropriate as it is. Why people would be ok trading E-Rod or even Benintendi for the rights to that contract is mind boggling.
No. If they had a deal in place and were waiting on his approval, there would be a ton of very specific tweets and stories, not one vague story hinting at it.http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/11/15/giancarlo-stanton-red-sox-trade-rumors/
So given the information we had last weekend that talks were heating up, does the report from Kayata imply that the Red Sox and Marlins are in agreement on a trade?
I getcha, thanks for that.Boras takes his sweet ass time to bleed every penny out every owner that he can - sometimes to the detriment of his client. His approach is the exact opposite of what we've seen here with Dombrowski. He likes to identify a target and move as fast as he can.
Boras has a well-established reputation of being a more high-stakes negotiator than most agents. He will play chicken with the market rather than making a priority of getting a pretty good deal early on. It's a strategy that has failed on more than one occasion (e.g. Stephen Drew 2014), but when it works, it works big.Is it Just Boston that has this apprehension of dealing with anything Scott Boras? Or is this something league wide?
I obviously don't naturally get access to the local media in the US, and I've always been curious about why there seems to be a sigh of resignation as soon as a desirable free agent is announced to be represented by him.
I would figure that all agents would be pushing for the best deal for their clients.
Does anyone know if DD has dealt with an upper echelon Boras player before?