I was wondering this as well ie that this pick could be turned into help for the D before the trading deadline.I think and hope a big deal is in the works. More cap room now. This team needs an impact player on d.
I was wondering this as well ie that this pick could be turned into help for the D before the trading deadline.I think and hope a big deal is in the works. More cap room now. This team needs an impact player on d.
Around $5 million before adding a backup QB. Any trade tomorrow if for an impact guy will have to include a player off the roster.Pats still don’t have a lot of cap room available right now.
Per Miguel's cap website, they're a shade over $5.2M under the cap.Pats still don’t have a lot of cap room available right now.
Yup -- if they are going to try to bring someone in this year it needs to be a pretty cost controlled player, especially now that they also need to sign a veteran QB.Pats still don’t have a lot of cap room available right now.
Kaepernick came out of nowhere and got the Niners to a Super Bowl because defensive coordinators didn't know how to defend the read option. The following year they learned to contain that and make him beat them with his arm. The guy would overthrow wide-open guys 10 yards downfield, and had no touch whatsoever. He's a sympathetic figure due to being blackballed over politics, but he just is not a good QB.Yes, it's a joke. I frequently perfect my stand-up routines on sports message boards.
One has actual physical tools, lead his team to a Super Bowl, and is still young enough to have some upside. The other is 32-years-old and has shown, over and over, to be horrendously mediocre at best and is most adept as positioning a team for the #1 pick.
I don't give a rat's ass about the "media controversy" and I can't see why Bill would. It's not like Kaep is a DV offender or something actually horrible.
And Kaepernick (theoretically) wouldn't be starting and would be prepared by the coaches. Hoyer has shown you what he is.
Kaep is almost certainly better at QB but Hoyer has played in NE and in similar systems and plays similarly(though obviously much worse than TB) while Kaep plays a totally different game.Yes, it's a joke. I frequently perfect my stand-up routines on sports message boards.
One has actual physical tools, lead his team to a Super Bowl, and is still young enough to have some upside. The other is 32-years-old and has shown, over and over, to be horrendously mediocre at best and is most adept as positioning a team for the #1 pick.
I don't give a rat's ass about the "media controversy" and I can't see why Bill would. It's not like Kaep is a DV offender or something actually horrible.
And Kaepernick (theoretically) wouldn't be starting and would be prepared by the coaches. Hoyer has shown you what he is.
I don’t think anyone is disputing Hoyer is any better than a career back-up. He has proven in several places that he isn’t.Yes, it's a joke. I frequently perfect my stand-up routines on sports message boards.
One has actual physical tools, lead his team to a Super Bowl, and is still young enough to have some upside. The other is 32-years-old and has shown, over and over, to be horrendously mediocre at best and is most adept as positioning a team for the #1 pick.
I don't give a rat's ass about the "media controversy" and I can't see why Bill would. It's not like Kaep is a DV offender or something actually horrible.
And Kaepernick (theoretically) wouldn't be starting and would be prepared by the coaches. Hoyer has shown you what he is.
Maybe but as was pointed out earlier the way Gilmore has looked this year may have convinced BB that he needs the tag for Butler.How does Kirk Cousins feel about this? Wasn't SF considered his prime landing spot?
I like it. The SF second rounder is going to be lower in the round. SF gets to try out Jimmy. NE gets valuable asset.
Was NE ever going to franchise Jimmy G?
Exactly. To get a pseudo-1st rd pick for someone who is making no impact on the current team is a steal. They know Brady is going to be there for the next 3 years so why spend the money on 2 QBs? It never made any sense to keep both. To get the 33rd or 34th pick for Jimmy is good value.If the 34th pick in next year’s draft for 8 games of a backup is flaming shit. I tend to think its valuable as this team is likely to draft an impact defender instead of this nonsense someone is trading them one tomorrow.
it's pretty self-evident that it's not "indisputable," given that many people are disputing it in this thread.I don’t think anyone is disputing Hoyer is any better than a career back-up. He has proven in several places that he isn’t.
But he is more valuable as a back up in NE than Kap over the next 8 games. That too is indisputable.
The TB successor will not be on the roster this season.
We will never know whether in an ideal world they would have transition/franchise tagged JG. The people who said “never” seem more right than wrong. But when they said it on the eve of the draft this NEP team looked a lot more solid than it proved to be — especially on defense, and especially in the front 7. It is quite possible, maybe even likely, that B.B. decided JG was a luxury they could not afford given very significant needs that have to be addressed ASAP after this season ends.How does Kirk Cousins feel about this? Wasn't SF considered his prime landing spot?
I like it. The SF second rounder is going to be lower in the round. SF gets to try out Jimmy. NE gets valuable asset.
Was NE ever going to franchise Jimmy G?
No, but they did clear some Kaep space!Pats still don’t have a lot of cap room available right now.
QBR is probably not the stat you want to use to make that case for him--Kaepernick was 23rd in the league in QBR last year and 29th the year before that. 2013 was the only year he was in the top half of the league (though he was well within it, at 7th).one of them sucks wild ass, the other had a better QBR in his last season than like half the starters in the league today. your politics are showing.
For the next 8 games? They are talking through their ass. Kap has played no football this year, has no experience in the Pats offense, and they are not going to retool the offense in two months to suit Kap if TB goes down.it's pretty self-evident that it's not "indisputable," given that many people are disputing it in this thread.
i have yet to see a single person make a case based on stats that kaep isn't the best guy available to any NFL team today. because there isn't one.
23rd in the league perfectly supports my argument. it would mean he's better than quite a few starters, and nearly all backups. i'm not saying he's a pro-bowler. i'm saying he's the best guy available. who's better by QBR? or by any metric other than "held brady's jock 8 years ago"?QBR is probably not the stat you want to use to make that case for him--Kaepernick was 23rd in the league in QBR last year and 29th the year before that. 2013 was the only year he was in the top half of the league (though he was well within it, at 7th).
http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2016
http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2015
(Hoyer has been even worse by QBR)
we've seen what hoyer can do in an offense he knows, getting first team reps, in the playoffs. it's non-competitive.For the next 8 games? They are talking through their ass. Kap has played no football this year, has no experience in the Pats offense, and they are not going to retool the offense in two months to suit Kap if TB goes down.
Common sense people.
I'll buy that he's better than most of the backups and a few starters, but that's a far different claim from saying that he's better than "half the starters in the league".23rd in the league perfectly supports my argument. it would mean he's better than quite a few starters, and nearly all backups.
Better be a damn damn good DL for pretty much s first rounderJason La CanforaVerified account @JasonLaCanfora 14m14 minutes ago
For more thoughts after talking to GMs regarding Jimmy G trade - Pats will deal this pick by 4pm, most likely for a DL...
That makes sense. Other GM’s will know who Cesario has been calling about the last few days. So if we’ve shown great interest in a few players but didn’t have what they wanted to complete a trade, this gets us the asset to complete trade with another team. Gonna be an interesting Halloween.Jason La CanforaVerified account @JasonLaCanfora 14m14 minutes ago
For more thoughts after talking to GMs regarding Jimmy G trade - Pats will deal this pick by 4pm, most likely for a DL...
Who is out there that is worth flipping this pick?Jason La CanforaVerified account @JasonLaCanfora 14m14 minutes ago
For more thoughts after talking to GMs regarding Jimmy G trade - Pats will deal this pick by 4pm, most likely for a DL...
Its like no one has seen Hoyer play since he left NE.Hoyer back would actually make a fair bit of sense for the next couple of years and might be the best opportunity he has out there.
Because it wasn't available. I gotta think that they didn't just say yes to the first call.So, why not some help this year?
BB will want someone who is cheap (they need an impact player at the deadline) and who can step in quickly.we've seen what hoyer can do in an offense he knows, getting first team reps, in the playoffs. it's non-competitive.
there is at least a possibility that kaepernick is competitive.
There is no realistic possibility. They’d be throwing Kap a big fat playbook he has never seen before and, assuming he digested that, they don’t have enough snaps in practice to get him up to speed. You don’t see moves like this in week 8. Kap would make sense only if you are prepared to move forward with him next season.we've seen what hoyer can do in an offense he knows, getting first team reps, in the playoffs. it's non-competitive.
there is at least a possibility that kaepernick is competitive. it could be a complete bust, but if brady goes down for the season, OF COURSE they re-tool the offense for whoever is their QB if it gives them the best chance to win. running the same system with hoyer gives them zero chance. zero.
I’ve got a silent bet with myself that it will be for a player I’ve never heard of.Its like no one has seen Hoyer play since he left NE.
I look forward to BB trading this #2 for another special teams linebacker.
well, his 2016 rating would be 14th in the league today. now, granted, it's fair to say he'd project worse than that being thrust in with little prep, so i'm not really saying this to split hair between whether he's better than half the starters in the league or merely a third... just pointing out that he's much, much better than anyone else out there.I'll buy that he's better than most of the backups and a few starters, but that's a far different claim from saying that he's better than "half the starters in the league".
Exactly this. Doesn’t matter who the back up is, if Brady goes down the season is over regardless.BB will want someone who is cheap (they need an impact player at the deadline) and who can step in quickly.
If TB gets hurt for an extended amount of time, it’s game over anyway.
In other words, Kap does have a higher ceiling, but it’s about the floor...and the price.
Chandler JonesWho is out there that is worth flipping this pick?
Hold the fort. One post from Rapsheet doesn't "prove" anything right or wrong. It's not a surprise when various sources contradict each other, but we have no reason to declare one of them as "proof" than the others are wrong.The ones that have been proven to be wrong in this very thread?
Who cares? The job of the backup QB for the Patriots is to play for the scout team, contribute at QB meetings, and at most be familiar enough with the offense to play passable football in the event Tom has to miss a game or two. If Brady goes down with a season ending injury, the backup is irrelevant as far as this team going anywhere in the playoffs (if we are really deciding between Hoyer and Kapernick).23rd in the league perfectly supports my argument. it would mean he's better than quite a few starters, and nearly all backups. i'm not saying he's a pro-bowler. i'm saying he's the best guy available. who's better by QBR? or by any metric other than "held brady's jock 8 years ago"?
If we couldn't predict the team we follow religiously would deal their backup QB, there's little chance we'll know what DLs are available.Who is out there that is worth flipping this pick?
My thoughts exactly.Better be a damn damn good DL for pretty much s first rounder
With the state of QB play in this league this is demonstrably false with Jimmy G back there.if Brady goes down the season is over regardless.