2017 NBA Draft Thread

HomeRunBaker · Mar 17, 2017

rhopkins2323 said:
I'm starting to agree with you on Issac. To start the year there was a lot to like. His measurables and production were as good as anyone in the country. But once he got into ACC play where the scouting reports are better and the D tightens up, he disappears. I'd have to watch more, but it seems like he scores when he has a lot of space to operate. When that space is taken away he doesn't attack. I'm not sure if it's compete level, if he's deferring to Bacon (who can be awesome at times) or XRM, or if teams are able to take him out by just being physical with him. But either way, it's not a great trait for drafting in the top 5. It just wreaks of Jeff Green. At this point I would rather take Tatum. Isaac is a too much of a risk with a low floor.

Jaylen Brown had many of these same problems at Cal last year when opponents gameplanned and tightened up their zone defenses in conference play. Instead of tightening up, Brown was forced to create against double teams and zero spacing. Isaac isn't a creator but he does operate better in space which is why his game is better suited for the NBA much like Jaylen's. The college zone, and their own college guards, can be the best defense against guys like Isaac and other athletic wings. He won't have to worry about lack of space in the NBA iso and pick-n-roll offenses which open up his catch-and-shoot game.

BigSoxFan · Mar 17, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
This isn't that uncommon for a non-first option who doesn't have the ball in his hand in the college game. There was about a 10 minute stretch where every Seminole possession resulted in either a turnover (bad) or Bacon shooting the ball (good). These tournament games tend to be dominated by guards, in some part because in big games these are your best shot creators and in another part they have the ball and know the lights are on them so they tend to be more aggressive. It's easy for a guy like Isaac to go stretches where he gets lost in the shuffle.

He's a nice player with a great NBA body for him to continue to grow into. I didn't view last night as a negative for Isaac at all despite his teammates not getting him involved much in the first half.

It's not just last night. He didn't play that well during the ACC tournament either. I totally agree that the skills are there but I'm just worried about being able to get them to show on a consistent basis. Starting to like Markannen more but I reserve the right to change my mind 100 times between now and June.

HomeRunBaker · Mar 17, 2017

BigSoxFan said:
It's not just last night. He didn't play that well during the ACC tournament either. I totally agree that the skills are there but I'm just worried about being able to get them to show on a consistent basis. Starting to like Markannen more but I reserve the right to change my mind 100 times between now and June.

I have Markannen above Isaac as well due to him having such a high floor to go along with a fairly high ceiling for a high-lottery pick (he could crack top-3 imo). I would be very excited to see him as a Celtic this summer. There is much more certainty with Markannen but unlike many "safe" picks it doesn't diminish from his upside. I think he's going to be a very good starter in this league. Isaac has a higher bust/bench player potential but I don't see the real high upside on the other end. I was only pointing out that his performance against college zones really shouldn't be deemed a negative just as I fought this fight on this board on the same topic about Jaylen last summer. They aren't going to be seeing these zone defenses in the NBA and the spacing will be much better for them.

MarkBT · Mar 17, 2017

rhopkins2323 said:
It just wreaks of Jeff Green. At this point I would rather take Tatum. Isaac is a too much of a risk with a low floor.

That's actually a great comp - although Issac's putting up better #s as a freshmen than Green did as a junion. But their games are similar. I think Isaac is a better ball handler, and a more natural shooter. IIRC Green was on a Georgetown team that was similar to FSU in terms of usage. They had a lot of guys who got steady minutes and shots. Hibbert, Ewing Jr, Sapp, etc..

BigSoxFan · Mar 17, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
I have Markannen above Isaac as well due to him having such a high floor to go along with a fairly high ceiling for a high-lottery pick (he could crack top-3 imo). I would be very excited to see him as a Celtic this summer. There is much more certainty with Markannen but unlike many "safe" picks it doesn't diminish from his upside. I think he's going to be a very good starter in this league. Isaac has a higher bust/bench player potential but I don't see the real high upside on the other end. I was only pointing out that his performance against college zones really shouldn't be deemed a negative just as I fought this fight on this board on the same topic about Jaylen last summer. They aren't going to be seeing these zone defenses in the NBA and the spacing will be much better for them.

Fair enough and I think you're right. It may be incredibly difficult to truly judge Isaac given that FSU basically plays controlled scrimmages.

TheRooster · Mar 17, 2017

I ended up being impressed by Issac. His stroke seemed smooth and he shoots with a lot of confidence. Although the competition was modest, his defense in the second half impressed too. That frame doesn't imply that he'll ever be low post option, however.

DannyDarwinism · Mar 17, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
Jaylen Brown had many of these same problems at Cal last year when opponents gameplanned and tightened up their zone defenses in conference play. Instead of tightening up, Brown was forced to create against double teams and zero spacing. Isaac isn't a creator but he does operate better in space which is why his game is better suited for the NBA much like Jaylen's. The college zone, and their own college guards, can be the best defense against guys like Isaac and other athletic wings. He won't have to worry about lack of space in the NBA iso and pick-n-roll offenses which open up his catch-and-shoot game.

The bolded is why I think his offensive upside is pretty limited, despite the nice jumper and obvious physical attributes. I was hoping he'd show some play-maker/primary initiator skills because I'd heard he played point in HS prior to a growth spurt, but while he has a decent handle on the break, I haven't seen much of anything to indicate that he's anything other than a catch-and shoot guy + rim-runner in the half court. He's best suited as a third option, complementary player on offense- think Crowder only a better roll-man off of the PnR. Like Crowder, a lot of his value will depend on whether he's 35% or 38+% from three. His defensive versatility and upside is what puts him alongside Tatum for me, with Miles Bridges, who has shown the capacity to be an initiator, just behind those two, though I think both Bridges and certainly Tatum have higher upside on offense.

Jeff Van GULLY · Mar 17, 2017

So Josh Jackson isn't a good person it seems. I wonder if Danny will drop him off the Celtics board.

It's too bad he's a shithead because I like his skill set.

DannyDarwinism · Mar 17, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
I have Markannen above Isaac as well due to him having such a high floor to go along with a fairly high ceiling for a high-lottery pick (he could crack top-3 imo). I would be very excited to see him as a Celtic this summer. There is much more certainty with Markannen but unlike many "safe" picks it doesn't diminish from his upside. I think he's going to be a very good starter in this league. .

Markannen just has such an insanely good shot and footwork/balance for a guy his size, it's hard not to think about what he could be if he develops into an Olynyk-type good positional defender, even if he'll never be a rim protector. Of course, he hasn't shown that yet, and for a guy who looks pretty strong, he gets pushed around a lot. I worry about him dealing with NBA length and athleticism, but a 7 foot Kyle Korver with some post up game is a pretty useful guy if he's playing passable defense.

bowiac · Mar 17, 2017

Somewhat surprisingly, the Ringer has a good piece about Ball's quirky shot up. It gives me some pause about him.

LondonSox · Mar 17, 2017

The discussion of Isaac has to include the point he is an excellent defensive prospect, likely able to guard 2-4 and some 5s maybe even. Just look at green for the importance this can provide.

Also the Florida state offense is terrible for him and bad period.
I can't get Isaac sub 6th.
Fultz, Jj, ball, Smith, Tatum, Isaac is the top 6 for me and it's about the order.

rhopkins2323 · Mar 17, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
Jaylen Brown had many of these same problems at Cal last year when opponents gameplanned and tightened up their zone defenses in conference play. Instead of tightening up, Brown was forced to create against double teams and zero spacing. Isaac isn't a creator but he does operate better in space which is why his game is better suited for the NBA much like Jaylen's. The college zone, and their own college guards, can be the best defense against guys like Isaac and other athletic wings. He won't have to worry about lack of space in the NBA iso and pick-n-roll offenses which open up his catch-and-shoot game.

I could explain better on what I meant by space. One aspect I like to look at is how these kids absorb or seek contact. Isaac is skinny, plays straight up, and seems to play weak often. When a defender makes contact with him, it seems he gives up on the play. Whether he passes or picks up dribble. When a single defender takes space away, I think he struggles. It's just not the zone/help D in college. Sure, he can get better at this, but DA and other GMs will have to trust their projections on him to take him high. He's only average at getting to the line as well.

You made a good point about Isaac not being a creator. And I'm not sold he ever will be a go to ISO guy. He might be more of a catch and shoot guy like you said. And a 6'10 catch and shoot guy that can play D is valuable.

Despite the schemes to pack it in vs Brown, he still managed to get to the line 6.5 times a game (In conference). Probably why DA liked him so much.

HomeRunBaker · Mar 17, 2017

rhopkins2323 said:
I could explain better on what I meant by space. One aspect I like to look at is how these kids absorb or seek contact. Isaac is skinny, plays straight up, and seems to play weak often. When a defender makes contact with him, it seems he gives up on the play. Whether he passes or picks up dribble. When a single defender takes space away, I think he struggles. It's just not the zone/help D in college. Sure, he can get better at this, but DA and other GMs will have to trust their projections on him to take him high. He's only average at getting to the line as well.

You made a good point about Isaac not being a creator. And I'm not sold he ever will be a go to ISO guy. He might be more of a catch and shoot guy like you said. And a 6'10 catch and shoot guy that can play D is valuable.

Despite the schemes to pack it in vs Brown, he still managed to get to the line 6.5 times a game (In conference). Probably why DA liked him so much.

I don't dislike Isaac. I just don't want to grade him based on him not being aggressive offensively in college as this really isn't going to be his role at the next level. As London says above, Isaac is a classic 3-and-D player who has defensive stopper potential at multiple positions. He's like Kevon Looney on steroids (no pun). Mid-lottery around 6-8 is his range imo.

Schnerres · Mar 17, 2017

Can anybody say something accurately about Isaiah Hartenstein?

(What I want to know additionally to scouting info:
-Who can you compare him to?
-strengths, weaknesses?
-draft position ranging from? 10-20?)

Cellar-Door · Mar 17, 2017

bowiac said:
Somewhat surprisingly, the Ringer has a good piece about Ball's quirky shot up. It gives me some pause about him.

I was just coming to post that. O'Connor is really good in terms of his ncaa to nba scouting, his draft guides before he was full time were great.

One thing is something I already knew (he only goes stepback left to shoot with any consistency) and thought was a flaw. The thing I didn't realize was how mediocre his shooting had been before UCLA, and the bit with how different his splits are based on ball used was interesting too. If he not only can't do the things I assume he can't, but also isn't a knockdown 3 shooter he's capped out at a poor man's Ricky Rubio since I doubt he ever defends like Rubio.

wade boggs chicken dinner · Mar 17, 2017

It would have been interesting to see what DA would have done if he had the 4th pick and Jaylen was off the board at that point. I think he would have gone with Dunn over Chriss just because Chriss wasn't ready to play extended minutes despite his athleticism.

Because of that, I think he would take Tatum over Isaac. Isaac is a nice player and a good defender but IMO he isn't going to get extended minutes in the NBA from the get go because of his lack of size (he's 20 pounds lighter than Chriss) and need to understand the NBA game.

nighthob · Mar 17, 2017

The more of Tatum I see the tougher call I'm having. Right now I see four guys that are going to get significant time next year and a have an impact, and I have Ball at four for all the long discussed reasons (lack of athleticism, inability to be much more than a spot up shooter, etc.).

The more I see of Ball the more I put him in the "Could be a huge success if he lands in the right situation" class of draftee, whereas I think that Fultz, Jackson, & Tatum ultimately succeed no matter where they land. For example I think that Ball would be great on Philly, not so sure about LA or Phoenix, though.

I'm actually at the point where I think I prefer Boston drafting second. Fultz is a fantastic pick & roll player, but I think he may be more of a 1B type of player than pure alpha. I'm reaching the point where I might take Tatum over him.

Jackson may indeed be a shithead, which is a shame since he's sort of Kevin Garnett's Minime.

wade boggs chicken dinner · Mar 17, 2017

bowiac said:
Somewhat surprisingly, the Ringer has a good piece about Ball's quirky shot up. It gives me some pause about him.

I don't read a ton of the Ringer but Kevin O'Connor's pieces always seem pretty good. He had another article on Ball that was posted in this thread a few weeks back.

Either Ball is going to have to show people he can go right in workouts, or he's going to drop like a stone. I mean he's still going to be a good NBA player but he can't be elite if he's only going one way. He's too easy to guard that way and as mentioned before, it tilts the court for the other sets that teams would be trying to run.

BTW, here's a youtube video that breaks down Ball's mechanics both off the dribble and from the FT line.

finnVT · Mar 17, 2017

If the Lakers lose the lottery and Philly ends up with that pick at #4, plus their own at, say, #5 or 6, would you swap the 1 or 2 overall (if that's where the C's land) for the the pair? The chance to end up with whoever of Tatum/Jackson falls to 4 (assuming Fultz/Ball don't) plus, say, Markkanen or Isaac, could fit the C's frontcourt needs much better. Philly has Simmons/Saric/Embiid slotted into the 3/4/5 spots, but could really use one Fultz or Ball running things-- badly enough to move both picks?

Jed Zeppelin · Mar 17, 2017

finnVT said:
If the Lakers lose the lottery and Philly ends up with that pick at #4, plus their own at, say, #5 or 6, would you swap the 1 or 2 overall (if that's where the C's land) for the the pair? The chance to end up with whoever of Tatum/Jackson falls to 4 (assuming Fultz/Ball don't) plus, say, Markkanen or Isaac, could fit the C's frontcourt needs much better. Philly has Simmons/Saric/Embiid slotted into the 3/4/5 spots, but could really use one Fultz or Ball running things-- badly enough to move both picks?

Personally, I take the best guy and run but the idea is appealing, if ultimately not quite right for where the C's are. Incorporating two rookies + Zizic while continuing to bring Jaylen along is a tough ask when this summer's Plan A also likely involves adding a big money free agent to the roster. While Jackson/Markkanen are potentially plug and play guys to some degree, if Fultz is on the table I think you take him and don't look back. Maybe landing the 2 pick is a different conversation but the same issues above still apply.

smastroyin · Mar 17, 2017

I wouldn't do it with the 1, because I don't think you should be drafting for need unless you honestly believe IT4 is going to start for the Banner 18 team...and in that case, you might be better finding an actual NBA player as opposed to extra draft picks.

With the 2, if some team (PHL or SAC I guess) really wants Ball and they have the 3/4 and 5-8 then yes, I think I would do that. Ball going 2 means you guarantee a JJ/Tatum available at 4. But really this is about getting the guy you actually want anyway and getting another pick for your trouble, and my belief that Ball and IT4 cannot coexist. I guess I could be wrong.

bowiac · Mar 17, 2017

Philly needs everything, and can't feel great about Embiid's health right now. I can't imagine them offering a trade like that.

BigSoxFan · Mar 17, 2017

bowiac said:
Philly needs everything, and can't feel great about Embiid's health right now. I can't imagine them offering a trade like that.

Agreed. Doubt they'd do that unless they get another asset in return, whether it be in the form of a player or one of our future picks.

Cellar-Door · Mar 17, 2017

I think both teams don't do it. Philly is collecting assets still, Saric looks like a hit, and they have Embiid if he can stay Healthy, but they still haven't seen Simmons, Noel is gone, Okafor is probably a bench big at best, they need as many shots at top players as possible.
The flip side for the Cs is that they really need one elite player, they don't have the roster space or playing time to develop 2, their focus should be on getting the one guy they feel most confident is going to be a star NBA player.

Sprowl · Mar 17, 2017

smastroyin said:
With the 2, if some team (PHL or SAC I guess) really wants Ball and they have the 3/4 and 5-8 then yes, I think I would do that. Ball going 2 means you guarantee a JJ/Tatum available at 4. But really this is about getting the guy you actually want anyway and getting another pick for your trouble, and my belief that Ball and IT4 cannot coexist. I guess I could be wrong.

Why couldn't Ball and Thomas co-exist? Ball is a big guard, good on defense, and a great playmaker who can't always gets his own shot. Thomas is a small guard, defensively challenged, and a great scorer who can get his own shot anytime. Both would be killer spot-up 3 point shooters. Both are skilled passers, and neither one looks to me like a ballhog. I wouldn't expect them to produce Banner 18 right away, but I think they'd complement each other pretty well.

DannyDarwinism · Mar 17, 2017

Sprowl said:
Why couldn't Ball and Thomas co-exist? Ball is a big guard, good on defense, and a great playmaker who can't always gets his own shot. Thomas is a small guard, defensively challenged, and a great scorer who can get his own shot anytime. Both would be killer spot-up 3 point shooters. Both are skilled passers, and neither one looks to me like a ballhog. I wouldn't expect them to produce Banner 18 right away, but I think they'd complement each other pretty well.

Ball looks to me like a decent team defender- good instincts and timing, does a decent job chasing guys around screens, and excellent on the glass for his position, but due to his poor lateral quickness, he's going to be a liability staying in front of PGs. Ideally, you'd hide him on your opponents' weakest offensive threat and let him disrupt passing lanes with his good vision and length. I think that would present a problem pairing him with IT, another guy you'd need to "hide" on an offensive liability. Bradley would be a good defensive back court mate with Ball- let Avery menace PGs while Ball can float on the wing.

amfox1 · Mar 17, 2017

finnVT said:
If the Lakers lose the lottery and Philly ends up with that pick at #4, plus their own at, say, #5 or 6, would you swap the 1 or 2 overall (if that's where the C's land) for the the pair? The chance to end up with whoever of Tatum/Jackson falls to 4 (assuming Fultz/Ball don't) plus, say, Markkanen or Isaac, could fit the C's frontcourt needs much better. Philly has Simmons/Saric/Embiid slotted into the 3/4/5 spots, but could really use one Fultz or Ball running things-- badly enough to move both picks?

#1 - BOS takes Fultz or trades pick for established star

#2 - BOS could make trade for #4 + #6, if offered (but cannot see PHI making trade)

I think PHI takes Monk with their first pick. He fills a glaring need at SG. I think BOS wouldn't mind picking 4th in this draft to take whoever falls of Ball/Tatum/Jackson, but only if Fultz is off the board.

Cellar-Door · Mar 17, 2017

Sprowl said:
Why couldn't Ball and Thomas co-exist? Ball is a big guard, good on defense, and a great playmaker who can't always gets his own shot. Thomas is a small guard, defensively challenged, and a great scorer who can get his own shot anytime. Both would be killer spot-up 3 point shooters. Both are skilled passers, and neither one looks to me like a ballhog. I wouldn't expect them to produce Banner 18 right away, but I think they'd complement each other pretty well.

Well my thoughts on that are....
1. Ball is not at all a good defender right now, he'd be the worst defensive guard (except maybe Isaiah) on the roster by a significant margain.
2. It's not at all clear that he's a killed spot up shooter as mentioned above.
3. He doesn't fix any of the team's problems. He's a good passer and good on the break, but on the whole he's a significant downgrade from Bradley and likely Smart. This team needs players who can create their own offense BADLY, it's why Thomas is starting even though his D is garbage.

smastroyin · Mar 17, 2017

I would also worry that IT4 becomes a bit easier to defend off the ball. And to use Ball you need him to have the ball in his hands. Maybe "Can't coexist" is overstating it, and I should say something like "off all the teams near the top of the lottery, Boston seems like the one least able to leverage Ball's skills."

If the C's get the 4th pick and JJ and Tatum are both off the board, then Ball I think is so much better than the rest of the field that you just take him as BPA.

wade boggs chicken dinner · Mar 17, 2017

About Ball and his defense. It looks like he plays really high and has stiff hips. Not seeing that he's going to be a great defender.

Jed Zeppelin · Mar 17, 2017

Tatum continues to make the case that it's the top 4 then everyone else.

BigSoxFan · Mar 17, 2017

Jed Zeppelin said:
Tatum continues to make the case that it's the top 4 then everyone else.

Yup. He's firmly in that group in my book, which is awesome now that top 4 is almost locked up. Still want Fultz but any of the other 3 will be great additions.

chilidawg · Mar 18, 2017

wade boggs chicken dinner said:
About Ball and his defense. It looks like he plays really high and has stiff hips. Not seeing that he's going to be a great defender.

Ball looks to me like he has a weak core, and could really benefit from working full time with a trainer. His lateral quickness might really improve.

BigSoxFan · Mar 18, 2017

chilidawg said:
Ball looks to me like he has a weak core, and could really benefit from working full time with a trainer. His lateral quickness might really improve.

Doesn't LaVar run a training facility or something?

HomeRunBaker · Mar 18, 2017

BigSoxFan said:
Doesn't LaVar run a training facility or something?

Yes he has a personal training business. There are many stories out there of Lonzo doing pull-ups and other body weight exercises as early as 3-4 years old while running one mile hill sprints at 10 or something.

smastroyin · Mar 18, 2017

Well, hopefully, if the C's don't get the right ping pong balls, whoever does get the #1 listens to LaVar

"If you got a kid that makes everybody better, you mean to tell me you wouldn't take him over a guy that's averaging 40 points but the team's losing?? If you wanna winner, you pick my boy."

EL Jeffe · Mar 18, 2017

I've mentioned him before but I really think Bam Adebayo is the most undervalued prospect in a long time. Ford and Draft Express have him mid-late 20's which I find bizarre. I'd put him 5th on my board, and I mean that. He's like if you combined the best qualities of young Serge Ibaka and Biz Biyombo. His size, motor and physical skills make him close to bust-proof. His shot looks good, like young Ibaka.

He doesn't shoot threes, so it seem like that drops him 20 draft spots. I don't get it. He'll be a reliable shooter from 18', rebound the he'll out of the ball, and block shots. I love watching that kid play.

Montana Fan · Mar 18, 2017

C's have three second round picks. Wonder if some combo of them and either the C's 2018 1st or Clips 2019 1st could get them in position to grab him.

Cellar-Door · Mar 18, 2017

I don't love Abedayo. I don't know what he is in the NBA, he's an undersized C more than a real PF to me, I don't like his offensive game much in terms of decision making or passing, and he doesn't really stretch the floor. I think his team defense and fundamentals are suspect. Late 1st... sure, any higher than that I don't see it.

Edit- I don't see him having the potential of Ibaka on either end. A lesser, Bismack Biyombo is an ok comparison... but that isn't all that good of an upside.

DannyDarwinism · Mar 19, 2017

Here's an interesting deep dive on some of the guys we've been talking about here, along with a more general discussion of prospect evaluation theory. I don't agree with some of his conclusions, but he has made me re-think my outlook on some guys, Monk and Fox particularly.

http://www.deepishthoughts.com/kaisers-draft-notes-initiators-predictive-indicators/

ifmanis5 · Mar 19, 2017

JJ11

I'm sold.

LondonSox · Mar 19, 2017

amfox1 said:
#1 - BOS takes Fultz or trades pick for established star

#2 - BOS could make trade for #4 + #6, if offered (but cannot see PHI making trade)

I think PHI takes Monk with their first pick. He fills a glaring need at SG. I think BOS wouldn't mind picking 4th in this draft to take whoever falls of Ball/Tatum/Jackson, but only if Fultz is off the board.

At 4+6 I would hope the sixers take Smith and monk in that order to be honest.
Sixers are not in pick for need. But if they get lucky and get Fultz then maybe overdraft monk.
Isaac and Tatum are 4s for me and they don't need that!

The scenario they if get Fultz monk is Embiid health from insane.
The team would be
Fultz, monk, Covington, simmons, embiid
Bench
Holmes, Okafor, Saric, tlc, sauce, Bayless, TJ, Henderson.

I mean eyes emoji.
With a lot of cap space and the kings unprotected to come.

Jed Zeppelin · Mar 19, 2017

ifmanis5 said:
JJ11

I'm sold.

I'd be shocked if he weren't at worst #2 on Danny's big board. Will likely slay pre-draft workouts.

ifmanis5 · Mar 19, 2017

Chad Ford 10 minutes ago:
One long-time NBA GM to me just now: "There are 3, maybe 4, No. 1 picks in this draft -- Markelle Fultz, Lonzo Ball and Josh Jackson for sure. Maybe Jayson Tatum too. All of those guys have star potential. " Jackson certainly made his case today with an elite performance against Michigan State. He's the best two-way player in the draft.

Spelunker · Mar 19, 2017

How long has Danny been a GM?

snowmanny · Mar 19, 2017

long time

slamminsammya · Mar 19, 2017

Someone sell me on Josh Jackson. His numbers seem just average in all the important areas.

Jed Zeppelin · Mar 19, 2017

slamminsammya said:
Someone sell me on Josh Jackson. His numbers seem just average in all the important areas.

Defends every position, elite athlete, very good playmaker for his size, good slasher, has shot the ball well despite poor form. Marcus Smartesque compete level.

rhopkins2323 · Mar 19, 2017

Jed Zeppelin said:
Defends every position, elite athlete, very good playmaker for his size, good slasher, has shot the ball well despite poor form. Marcus Smartesque compete level.

Yea, all of this. When you combine a high basketball IQ with elite athleticism, competitiveness, size, plays both ends of the floor, you have such a high ceiling. His potential is as high as any wing as I can remember.

I know his FT% blows, but if you believe he can clean up his form (I do), he's either the 1 or 2 pick.

Eddie Jurak · Mar 19, 2017

How does he compare with Jaylen?

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