Please take a step back and think how absurd and incoherent your arguments here are.
Perhaps you can help by explaining why you believe my "argument" is absurd? I put "argument" in quotes, because the part of my post you're referring to isn't really an argument at all. It's a reiteration of what the woman herself said, according to the police report.
Perhaps my summary is inaccurate? Or are you objecting to me raising the question about whether the men involved in the gangbang
after she says she expressed her desire for it to stop were aware of her withdrawal of consent, and whether their knowledge has relevance to criminal rape charges. (I say it does. I'm just not sure how.)
In a nutshell, the question is: if a man has sex with a woman and mistakenly believes she has consented, absent any indication that the woman objects, is that criminal rape? "Affirmative consent" may be required by many university sexual conduct policies, but AFIAK, that's not a legal standard. Also, at many (most?) universities, people incapacitated by alcohol (or other intoxication)
cannot consent. It's also the law in many states. I completely agree with that. In this case, however, that doesn't appear to be at issue. According to the police report, the woman's level of intoxication was not incapacitating. The police say that in the video they reviewed she appeared to be engaging in consensual sex, so unless she drank more alcohol or took drugs after the videos were taken, incapacitation isn't in play here.
And how pernicious. Attitudes like yours jeopardize millions of women.
What do you imagine my attitude is? In what way is that attitude harmful to women?
And if you think this is too strong, it's about half of what I'd love to say to you. Keep worrying about whether the gangbanging football players were on notice that maybe the girl wasn't still into it and whether they're need to get a nut was so important that they couldn't just walk away.
First, thanks for being civil. I'm aware that discussions on this subject often become heated. Second, I think I see the problem. That's not what I think or believe. I am not worried about the gangbanging players at all. As I've said, I think their behavior was disgusting, reprehensible, and deserving of punishment -- more severe punishment than they're apparently receiving. I do not, however, believe it is clear that they committed criminal rape, a point the police and prosecutors seem to agree with. I'm aware that police/prosecutorial agreement is an argument-from-authority and not necessarily persuasive, but it's worth noting.
What I am discussing (and what seems to be driving some people crazy, and others to jump to conclusions about my arguments, attitudes, beliefs, and character) is the question of what, exactly, constitutes rape and/or sexual assault in criminal and university-disciplinary proceedings. And the rather large difference between the two. In short: are the cops wrong about this case? Are the player/students, without doubt, rapists? I don't think so.
There's also a side-debate about whether the principle of "presumption of innocence" is or should be a general principle of justice or whether it is appropriate only in criminal trials, but that's more of a philosophical discussion.
[Edits for punctuation and grammar.]