The Dean Blandino makes excuses thread (12/22- Blandino explains the Newton call)

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I know people are upset that Cam wasn't out through concussion protocol.

But how pissed would you be if you're Rivera? You are forced to take Cam out because he looks like he's in LaLa land, but why is he like that? Because of a vicious illegal hit to the head, that's why. So Rivera would be like, wait a minute, we lose our quarterback because of an illegal hit that you guys didn't even call a penalty? They get away with a personal foul and take our QB out?
 

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I know people are upset that Cam wasn't out through concussion protocol.

But how pissed would you be if you're Rivera? You are forced to take Cam out because he looks like he's in LaLa land, but why is he like that? Because of a vicious illegal hit to the head, that's why. So Rivera would be like, wait a minute, we lose our quarterback because of an illegal hit that you guys didn't even call a penalty? They get away with a personal foul and take our QB out?
Who cares how pissed the coach would be about his little game? We're talking about a human being's health. I don't get why this is even a consideration.
 

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The problem is that the concussion protocols have actually increased the incentive for defenses to target the head of offensive players. Obviously it's important to deal with concussions properly, but we're going to see more headhunting if one shot to the head gets a player taken out of the game immediately.

Anyways this stuff isn't going away unless some outside party steps in and forces some changes, because neither the owners nor the NFLPA are going to be interested in players or owners paying fines for infractions.
 

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Who cares how pissed the coach would be about his little game? We're talking about a human being's health. I don't get why this is even a consideration.
The point of my post wasn't about whether or not Cam should have been taken out for evaluation. Pretty clearly he should have.

The point was about the fact that him needing to come out was the result of a massively illegal hit that didn't even draw a flag.
 

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The problem is that the concussion protocols have actually increased the incentive for defenses to target the head of offensive players. Obviously it's important to deal with concussions properly, but we're going to see more headhunting if one shot to the head gets a player taken out of the game immediately.

Anyways this stuff isn't going away unless some outside party steps in and forces some changes, because neither the owners nor the NFLPA are going to be interested in players or owners paying fines for infractions.
It took the ending of Marc Savard's career on a deliberate and obvious intent-to-injure style cheap shot to force the NHL to adopt tougher penalties on hits to the head. The NFL owners are less invested in the length of their players' careers than the NHL's were, so I'm expecting this will remain an issue for quite some time.
 

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If the just hits him between the knees and the shoulders. But that can be said of any player. They all know it and they do it anyway.
I thought JE's hit/block was pretty dirty at the time. He'd been chippy the first half (and had been taking some pretty whicked hits), but I could do without those kinds of collisions. Granted, many of these plays are bang-bang in nature, but that seemed like a deliberate attempt to blow someone up.
JE was actually really lucky not to hurt himself on that play. Love the guy, but deserves the fine and more -- pure idiocy.
 

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Who cares how pissed the coach would be about his little game? We're talking about a human being's health. I don't get why this is even a consideration.
It's a consideration only in that if the NFL isn't going to police head to head hits, there isn't much disincentive to not head hunt. Which is bad for both the game and for the humans playing it.
 

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I know people are upset that Cam wasn't out through concussion protocol.

But how pissed would you be if you're Rivera? You are forced to take Cam out because he looks like he's in LaLa land, but why is he like that? Because of a vicious illegal hit to the head, that's why. So Rivera would be like, wait a minute, we lose our quarterback because of an illegal hit that you guys didn't even call a penalty? They get away with a personal foul and take our QB out?
A solution would be to remove the guy who made the hit until the QB is able to come back.
 

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Says the fan of the tean he successfully used to bury the entire "our sport kills the players" story.

How can you call Roger dumb when he has the nation in a tizzy over Brady, forgetting about the brain damage?
Aw, c'mon man. A bunch of people have pledged to care after Brady retires.
 

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A solution would be to remove the guy who made the hit until the QB is able to come back.
Problem is the refs don't always see it as illegal. If they did or if around the league they call it fairly consistently then maybe we can argue for greater in game penalties such as ejection.

Maybe there should be more suspensions after reviews but I have little faith in the league office handling it in a consistent and fair manner.
 

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Says the fan of the tean he successfully used to bury the entire "our sport kills the players" story.

How can you call Roger dumb when he has the nation in a tizzy over Brady, forgetting about the brain damage?
Because ultimately brain injuries are the greatest threat to football as we know it and rather than solving it (or positioning the NFL as a credible part of exploring a solution, even) he damaged the brand with a ludicrous witchhunt that exposed him and the league office (on competitive balance gate), and as a byproduct strengthened the union. And he got caught red-handed using big tobacco-style tactics on the brain injury issue to boot.

So, to the degree he was consciously pushing this to get brain injuries out of the news (which I'm not sure on reflection is the case), his move was a very mixed tactical choice and a multi-level strategic failure. I acknowledge we'll need to wait a few years to see if that's right or not.
 

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Maybe it's just the different circles with which I what football, but my experience is that SOSH significantly over indexes in the number of people that have their football viewing experience negatively impacted by hits to the head. Either that or the friends with which I watch and talk about football totally lack any sense of empathy for other humans.

I have no doubt that there is a percentage of the population tuning out due to hits to the head. But I would put that issue on equal footing with other issues, such as:
  • People being put off by shoddy and inconsistent officiating
  • The commercial overkill.... TD, commercial, extra point, commercial, kickoff, commercial!
  • General fatigue/loss of respect with the NFL making stupid decisions
  • Lack of digital offerings to watch games
  • The league currently being filled with a lot of whiners. Looking at you Steelers and Ravens
There are a lot of broad issues with the NFL right now that are probably affecting people in different ways. I do not have much half in the league to correct these in a timely or effective way.

I love watching football but if I had to choose between watching a non-patriots NFL game or a college football game between two top 25 teams then I am watching the college game every time. It's currently a more enjoyable football watching experience for me.
Most likely true that SOSH over indexes football viewing negatively impacted by hits to the head however head injuries are the biggest threat to the popularity of the game. Declining numbers of children playing youth league over the past several years is due in some measure to the perceived safety of the game and may not have an immediate impact on the NFL but it seems reasonable that somewhere down the road there will be an effect. Combine this with some of the other factors you have mentioned and the future of football does not look as bright as it did only a few years ago. We are only two weeks into declining television ratings for NFL games and it is too soon to say that the tide is already turning but it does seem that without some substantive changes to the game, it inevitably will.
 

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The NFL continues to be America’s pastime, but fewer people are passing the time watching NFL games.

According to Austin Karp of SportsBusiness Daily, Monday night’s Eagles-Bears snooze-fest generated an overnight rating of 8.3. That’s an 11-percent drop from last year’s Week Two Monday night matchup between the Jets and the Colts, and it’s also the lowest Week Two Monday Night Football rating “since at least ’09, and likely further back.”

The league has now seen an apple-to-apples ratings drop in each of the seven prime-time games this year.
 

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And that's 2 top-10 viewing markets as well, so it's not like it would have gotten killed as badly as something like Jacksonville/Tennessee.
 

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And that's 2 top-10 viewing markets as well, so it's not like it would have gotten killed as badly as something like Jacksonville/Tennessee.
It's overkill, with three prime time games a week. Growing up, Monday Night Football was special! There was usually actual hype to the game leading into it.
 

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It's overkill, with three prime time games a week. Growing up, Monday Night Football was special! There was usually actual hype to the game leading into it.
But why would the effects of overkill take place this year? The setup has been the same for several years running (3 prime time games a week, plus a MNF double header week 1). Something else is going on here.

Edit: mods, can we split this into a new topic? maybe something like "The NFL's Declining Viewership". I will start the thread, maybe we can move some posts?
 

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Cam Newton was at the center of yet another penalty dispute on Monday night.

The Panthers quarterback was noticeably upset in the second quarter of Carolina's win over the Redskins after referee Walt Coleman didn't flag linebacker Trent Murphy for unnecessary roughness after he seemed to hit Newton's helmet when attempting a tackle on the sliding quarterback.

Coleman later said that no flag was thrown because Murphy did not initiate "forcible contact" with Newton.
NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino went on Tuesday's edition of NFL Total Access to clarify Coleman's ruling further.

"The word forcible is in the rulebook, it does add a layer of judgment. And why it's in there is you're trying to avoid having 15-yard penalties on incidental contact," Blandino explained in his weekly "Official Review" segment. "So forcible is something that isn't incidental.

"And when you look at the play and it's a close play. Remember, the quarterback who becomes a runner loses quarterback protection but still has unnecessary roughness protection so at this point if the quarterback starts his slide before contact is imminent by that defender, he can't be contacted to any part of his body. If he starts his slide late, he can be contacted to the body but he can't be contacted to the head and neck area.

"If you watch this at full speed, and we have to remember, the referee gets one look at it full speed and then we get to analyze it from all these different angles. It's a close play, Walt felt that the player went over the top, that it was a late slide, that the contact to the head was incidental. You watch the replay in slow motion, it's certainly debatable either way, there is contact to the head, referee felt it wasn't forcible, that's why the flag was not thrown in that situation."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000760564/article/blandino-ref-felt-hit-on-cam-wasnt-forcible-contact